HomeMy WebLinkAbout84-6 DEER HERD COMMITTEE 16 OF 33r
Responso from Department of Fish and Gama Deer Herd Policy
tcdntinued
fr-om lti117/85}
Staff submitted typed copies of Steve G ",,id Karen's n0tos with 7 brief
memo,
Commissionor Vercruse stated shedid not finish all the paints in her
notes and would like to include all of the rosponsos before this noes to
the Board
chairman Avis asked what is the end goal, absol Utes j poi i cy for
criteria, or guidolinea?
Commissioner Vercruse stated they were headed toward eliminating +actrat-o
the County has no control rive- that effect a herd. To identify areas on
a map to be protected as habitats. To establish ai.ii,table kinds of
dovel'opmant and usos that would also allow deer. Something along the
-foothill policy.
Chairman Avis disc xssed overlay zuous to bu considered.
The treari,ng was opened to the public.-
Fd Van Goodon stated that he has �F00 acM~es and there have h�'� en no deer
seen on 1/22 of his property. He felt that the policy should go on whats
on each persons property,,
Commissioner Varce.use read her notes into the record.. 44 compare
differences and conditions and limitations in Butte raunty to those
bordering counties regardino management, compare; public verses private
management. The Dopar,tment o+ porestry dial not rr apondto this
directly, did not compare what wo have here in 8uttc County to other~
counties and slid not compare what wd have in butte County to the pttbl.i.t
lander that are being MAhaged adjacent to Er4ttto County or; which the herds
exist and cross over boundary linoSrho would lik* to have this
addressed, by the Department of rorostry, before wo send it ars to the
Loaed. 46 Palo 9 'provide information on time lirl'c�,i%tructure and
funding for Department range mranagoment capabilitius in Dutto County"
She sta-;ed her question Was were does the Department plan to got into
the range management businoss, and when will thoy h,avo fuhds available
in order to do this. The answer is thoy do ,not know. Thoro is a shift
in resp;:artsibi'l,it,y'th t the Des part Mont of Sore%try u6Q to play an active
roll in range moha.tlemont, and 4--ho Department has oxprossod an interest in
pursuing tho 'Depar'tment of f: i sh and Game, but at this timo they don't
h, vo funds, no immediate plans to del this. Wo aro ahe u+ many conrornd
atwt oho of many prieritie% in this wholo gtto%tion and that what we do
will have a limited. e+ f ect on the over al, l p i ctur5 -j,. This was not
%polled out at the Deer Ford Committee l ovel and' romagni zi og what: over
policy we do adopt is going to have a limited ef+edt on mi.ticq kting the
problem. Commissioner Vercru" e etatdrl that she would l i k�o her noes to
be complete bofore they qo forward to t»hay -Board vogjardimq corr-id+orn and
highvjay%i update rtYaps frorri 1=ish aid bames corridors), -anqjo. management
plane, list of le i�,la:titah g for Money, izdmparoci condition in 8,utte County
to other Counties„
t�CNO C•5*1188 SRO„kfkl lTE9 O)Mbdt 24 1,
Mike Schrader, Orovilio-, said thanks for attendance at
by Commissioner Wercrt tso and ACT' meeting
Commit oner`
they come up with a +i real product he would l i E,a
Walter. hlo s{.at » _ t whe
e
pd t.ha
this goes to the board Public hearing before
Sob Magas stated that if the winter ran e is
g lass it is, very bad, it is
very significant what course the Commission talwe�,.
Jim Snowdon stated that the Tehema, Flan and SLtr»Iss/Mocrretotan }='1an Wouldbe to Planning next week. Mr discussed indirect impact„,.
Commissioner Vercruss statod that need for Moro sp,bcific data.
Chairman Avis was concerned with the number Of decr. coming clown the
corridors and in establishing criteria for devoiopmen't�:..
Cotnmi ssi oner Ver cruse stated they need to establish ' habitat goals..
m Snowden felt that they did not mood to be hung up
habitat tat i s the critical F'kcto
rli-le stared that- it �s on numbertx not that
Policy to be changed down the�or �a
Commission make deci si ons ► no , they C1eed a Policy to hol p the
-Commi ssi oner Vercru%e di scu%tod
what is here fdoct_tmer t? applies c�rp�tbUitylanShenstated that most of
3 n Butte Count � s the proper.t,
County private 1C1d» F'orp;utttty is un
he.ar-d of here,
Chairman Avis ttated that t•ottsidoration of the
deer he
Of all other considerations..
rd was. 'nt`rt the anti.
QOmMissianer Voreruso stated that consensus on habitat was on]
many concerns. y 0he of
Commi ss , o or VercrUse also statod that 'not al 1 o-C the areas
tyore sui+ zblo yfcar door oh the map
Bob MapOs discusseddevelOpment verses door herds. 110 std
cif the c+dncerns lsy with th e A�- design tt d are ? » tad VAL most
Commissioner Vercrus
,tated the
form t ansa dertti a on, 5wi�dos flat y Bloomer a �i'st o
artaas tobt romnved
t th» y ottr.
e: Cami►ti ss3 on that the � deo of t
It was they cr nronsus 0+ the
ar_coptabl he policy Wtt
Chairman Avis di sC;Qzr
foothill study. a Policy statomeht that would tie ,into the
Staff stated that it Would be April ' or May to have t1htj mttp ready.
� TT t1NIT PL*[���j� cnt�rtrs5�ri� ��N�JT�S t�cav��nh0r'"
Commissioner Lambert stated that Bob Mapes has worked with the Board and
Committee, and asked if it Would be feasible for the, Department to have.
Some Suggested Policies.
Bob Mapes stated that they need to superimpose Cohasset/Forest Ranch
over dear herd study. He stated that they would be will to meet with
the Commission.
Qotomissioner Lambert discussed the Peer Herd Management Plan.
Jim Snowden Stated that the management plan was 5eparate.
Commissioner Walter questioned whether or not a management plan would
work in 'Butte County.
Jim Snowden Said, there was a marec4qemont plan in Yuba County,
Mike Mooney Stated that thepcjllcy only effects people who attempt to
Split a+ter the Policy is in P11-kce.
The hearing was closed.
Sta+4 discussed it'ben g appropriate to section out the County and do
one block at a time,,
Chairman Avis stated that he Would Want to advertise for each Separate
section,
This hearing was tdhtih.uod closed as a miscellanoout item
for December
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V. MISCELLANEOUS
2;
Response from Department of Fish and Game -Deer Her
from 1/16/86) d Policy (continued o
peri
Bob Mapes talked to the Planning Department since the last meeting, 'He that they have .agreed to fund a Person for two months to do t
There was a discussion on when ,they could possibly start h stated
Mapes hoped that they might be able to start into monthhe mapping needed.
holding meetings.. Bob
to see what tha progress of the mapping vas in one month s' but they would have
Commissiorer Walter ,felt that the Commission needed updated movemnt
of the deer herds.
_ e information
Bob Mapes stated that the 1983 maps were in use; and
maps as the information came to them: He stated t}la they in the future in Butte County, they would update these
Y plan; to collar deer
Chairman Vercruse asked about bringing
hearings, g� B the Feather Falls area fotward for public
Staff stated that if the Commission wants to o
could 'hold separate hearings.. g area by area or map by ma
g Staff stated that, it was their intent to p they
incorporate the deer herd information for polio
Conservation Element. y statements in the Resource
Chairman Vercruse wanted to know if the
to deer habitat. y could sort out the areas
that+, are gone
Bob Mapes cautioned the Commission not to go too fast
to have a large area to look at, s that: it would be better
Chairman Vercruse asked if the Department of Fish and Game Would uld alter the range
Bob Mapes stated that they would not alter the maps,
that is 108t, from critical range.
P s but would acknowledge 'land
Commissioner Lynch discussed that in some areas there ma be.
p ea for possibly ;one year. A need to haVe.a
moratorium on lot splits and rezon
Commissioner Walter stated that Fish and Gama agreed that. t11r ma to
out-of-date 6 Months ago, p W_s
yp that they agreed to take'a look at the d
Bcb Mapes stated
Count '
ear hoed Lange in Butte
Chairman. Vercruse stated that the help provided to the EYann3
tep in the right direction,
_ tt
g department is a
s
CommissionerValtez questioned Mr Mapes shout tate Beegei+t Ia
discussed earlier, p pezt:y that was.'
their ma s as
p statwas not Familiar with.. the site and that
Bob Mas ed that he 'Mapes winter flange► the are
a was on
BUTTS Ctll1N�Y ALAN
N NG
Comm 'MINUTES, Maroh �0 � x86
is
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The Commission questioned if this property shoul
d be ,on the winter range map.
Chairman Vercruse stated that it a
P appears t Would like to
allow a split ort the 30 acre parcel of S acres infront,
and
This matter was continued to lager in the meeting,
2,
Deer Herd continued from earlier in the meeting,
Btheob Mapes again istated that,
lie
ti4as not familar with the 5eegert site. P
5' y tez to inspect the site :he would be glad to, told
Commissioner Walter suggested that he go out this afternoon and look. k at the
Bob Mapes stated that he would either send a letter or be here in erso
next Planning Commission meeting to respond'to the concern over the doo
on the Morgan rezone (3 parcels), P tt at the
r. rattge
Commissioner Walter stated that the Commission needs some policies .o;t.
He asked if he could give Fish and Game a map and could they tell him which
areas Were of concern and which Were not.r Wardith
Bob Mapes stated that the mapper should work in the areas that have the pressure
Commissioner Lambert noted that therF�_
Feather Falls area, ei.0 maps from staff with slopes in the
George Robison stated that he, has property on Bald Roc
Fish and Came states that Lhi8 is in k Road.
that It He 'stated that
� as about 25 ac=res and would be ideal ford3 parcels r n e,
property consists g He states
most of it, N,imatil of e said that this
e granite] dense pine; and 'nothing will
ver He bras not seen any grow on
y pleased wits, the Plannin Codeer on this Property, He stated that he was
hter deer rat`ige
sion asking Fish and Came to Identify the
wi
8 minis
Comihisj
yint 0.
r Lambert requested that staff send. Mrs Robisoh s ,cumin
P ra±�.E1t of Fish and Game, Bob Mapesi*
De gry;
Comments to ttie:'
COUNTY PLANNING C MmigglON mINUT,4S March 20, X 986
BC��B
c
State Department of
onds to the Boa 's
Fish and
Game C.
herdsres
i�,
Butte Gount
RCFECR DrfOu�stingck
nformationlondirector,
deer
PLANNING
COMMISSION.
Motion! APPROVED CONSENT AGENDA,
Vote: 1 Y
S M
2 Y Y
4 Y
5 Y Gar
(Unanimously carried)
,� _d)
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Op 8tlpgRvi,80A8
MINUTt$
April 3tl, 1�85
Deer Herd --Discussion
Commi ssi over Vercr-use presented a list of recofnmendati oris to be
Rr se
nted to the Board of Supervisors and eXplained that the reason
Dor* rhe first list, that is, the requested information from the
Department of Fish and Game, is,a result of her having read the two
studies that she mentioned in her previous report
Apparently popul there are a number of factors whi eh cgr.e into play Whan the
herd popul,atior, is of
it could be any one ca+ a number of
things thele is a Limiting factor, and those things can change From
year to year. it is a dynamic situation, not a static ones There has
been very little marder na
riff each other- in ordeof the various factors and how they, pi.ay
;� for the ,F►opulatibn to be determined.
Until it is ?mown Which are the more important factorsy and for a4hi.ch
hart, it cannot be deter^mined e>:actly how impartartt
and what appropriate parcel sizes would be sutable,parcel. sizes .are,
Commissioner Avis asked if the listed factors, from a,-pdLzcy
standpOi nt, !mere matters which shbUl d be r'ecOCrt122eC� �5 fere
tors to be
con3i tiered in development in the i ,Ienti f i ed Geer corri,dcars, as opposed
to attempting to Obtain this additional information frzam Fish and Came
or whoever it might be obtained from, and trY to adopt a policy that
fits the COnditions as they egist today,
Commissioner Veecrlise replied that the `e;asri'lr the information was
being requested, was than in order to come up With a minimumP�%rcel:
size or formula for what iv4oul d be acc eptabl e -that. i t can't `se
arbitrary, it needs to consider all rf the different fctbrs. What
war proposed in the or'9'hal report was arbitrary there wasn't enough
data to back up What was being suggested
be known pr�ecisel from o All of these things cannot
Y year. to year, the Deer- Herd Committee was
given no in4artnati.on on any of these things. 1't is irr1�70rtant to be
aware of What is happening out there and if any find of position is
'to be taken on it it's going to make a di f f erence; For instance in
? he Eastern Tehama herd, the limiting r' actor ri gh t now i s the
rstammer
ange,- which isn't even i n But 'Cot.tnt�
, s in Lassen County.
it'
�
Therefi�re, anything done regerdirg parcel sizes Or anything else will
not change the fact that the summer eahge is determi rvi hg the number of
'
deer. Y; parcels were split down +-a the point of half -acres or a res,
at CIMe .point the parcel sale could ber~omet+ a limiting factor, but
right now it ish't4 so it wasn't mentioned in the repgrt oar was the
N, irtforma;tion given to the Committee:
With regarri to the updating of the Fish and Came maps for Region ,-,.
some of these factors that have come Xnto play rotently+ were not
ref l ect,ed by the mi grator-y corri dor a } Parti cr.tl art y' In the
Moaretown/Bucks Herd Report,.
ftftt CONTY V14ANNING CO�Jk SSto
Although 141000 acres of critical winter range were removed'when' the
Orqville Dam was built, there Was no reflection on the map as to
differences in the migration patterns and, in fact, the lake did,
a++ec"r" the mi.gration of deer.
Developments "chat have occurred in the
hills over the last few years and the in-creased traffic on the roads
ha-ve also not been re+lected4 Fish and Game give the impression that
,there has not been a monitoring program going on in order to be
accurate, so the old patterns of gratimi— on I continue to be the ones
indicated on the maps.
With regard to -Funding, it, is possible that revenue cau, Id be generated
in the County for the department to improve range without fees. How
much, or, where it can be obtained, are un--ertain. Apparently the
Governor -signed new legislation, into law in Or-
-tabler which would allow
,Pbr range improvement, aoll-ecting, the -funds from deer- licenses. The
ba-partment. of Fish and Gaine did not have any Figures and they were
unc.lear as to how they could 96 about getEinq funding, J,+- is al
unclear as to whr-- would have, control of the funds. 'C30 there are
things happening now at the .9,ta'Le level that comld a-�+-c:+- this doN-jn
the lihel and more specific information is needed an how much :money is
,available aw; .pow much Butte for,
eligible
County would be e
can do to ►Al 4in the: County if we need to compaite for it,
slatidn, a copy was obtained from Fish and (BamL- q
+
private latir magement plan that 'has been used successfully in yu a
Count,? and N
-acUntles where the landowrer is given: an in(=entive, to
manage his for range management and for game management and_i
allowed to je LA fee for hunting on I - -
6it Property. P7,or the
privilege of inch able to Charge that +ee4 part of tha'"cmoney can go
into range, m, agement and is an incentive thai- has been rased
successfully:
Incidentally, none of this ih+0rmatiQn 0qail�Irbla- to the. original
Committee which it why they wertn,t mentioned in the
report.
In comparing differ
9 bhtes in t0nditibris and limitations in Butte County
to those in bordering caunties, the lands from Whith the deer are,
IlAgratiH9 to us are public, mostly national. forest, some timberland,
and they are mAnatie -d as public Lttndsi name give * Fith and Gthe strong;
impression that they were suggesting someublic�managemerjt policy ty +or
IOUtte County vlhen4 'in fact, 90% of our CaUhtly is p-rivately Ownedi.
Apparently they do allow -for differences in the manageMentj and their
domrhehtt would be helpful on the differences in considerationsi the
triterial priorities, L-+-r-., which they Aro presumed to Ilav-e,o
If this information can be dbt6inod from fish And Game and it is
help,ful 'M d*jterm'n'nCJ What FjLtttL- COuntY*t policy should be, it woul 8
be a good idea to Cboperla�te and tit dcwri With them and promise tty
encourage dluttbrihg where pbssiblin the Foothills. A n :Ot j M, Itment to
that has al ready been brought up ift the ditcutsibn about a +b,othill
7
Study and how it could be IMPmnelii The ad ' t- -e.
I lteteop x on of appiopriat
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DUTTE COUNTY PLARRINO COMN�S .ttiftwqty 24)
pol i �y i fir. S�-
begin ni ng i n �th t Area
- For-
- .mss the
Parc e3 syere direct, an . est ranch_
"t,Y' i able
'`erY di ffi at the time C°basset
half -mil cult to v was
me tud
e? *cr so different. determine . stud wa.s I w 1
minim�,m Parc instance, as The �t0pagra the faothz.11dOnat minimum
c11.tstori n e2 4aeren • t dosed e4Ptati FbY Varied s because the
9 and ps addres r brtt on' Sai 1 s e at1 rf �ti thi n
perha that could be
T.t .s r a dansensu Therefore
easonabl comrni tied xo no i-eryghed ,an
panel aFl i t or to condition e
ser that or FrO ect; it, ncing when
morn ca deera,rouz d not havefairly easy to obtain °' 4t pr,a
n tr
oWersi �r►"ah1 em x n and', rcau ' posed
with re ,41th it, ld conform
9grd ho 1: n dr ardinahc
�eas� b e, thx s
xmiti g the
because Hi zs one ter _rar,glort%o
d(evel o h s yrs tiL-ommendat Oil n coni dor
prcol pment along �'��� 1*for i _ Hat came . err ss N,
em not only strxpS uF and tri.:�r�e, err ot.t of khr= rF�ere
aQc,Ulation. Thisor and bL(t Indrawn Major a�t��Jor corpMir�orsart
thz11 stud Baas o fh o� tr�,nr xals tl�i bey
' epi eted Y= one 4do�»
TFte Resource Cc pot -tai �`
and sri 11 � !,or i one cam' •rad
into beari, an d eM , out
g o �,
indicated err zs. cLarr aF the
�,bairMan Avis that It would be entTY hung'
Cammi ssi oh asF,ed i f staff r� dY For hf
Commi$ .. as inpLti_ s .antitn -arirgs b
sx oner gar^ for z is ommend pati nq sc��+thi n mid --Year;
pertinent to dee rase stated atiOns5. the - g mtt of t
time, r khat coma �t �rrtatey esFcrnse he
- ir�rward er Gener�2l filar k�as Yes:
adopting
oval -ecom wou2 d 4, more �apr-gypolicy
te a
An add!
ptin'� as r me��dation was of
t that
re u d data oprial-q gored as
'� este ata �- mztig�tza fog
Arid sifted becomes wail n meeturp lows:
can trough i , able. _s on indxvi '' Consider
t i s deter a alter ;a z L dual p ,xroel s wFieh
be ».
herder borne w i thin tFi _ mi nc�d tha t
and they , Count Sarne the ds
Y and mals of the ,wsa 1S acquired
that time cons! d x s hot ger! ng a ,di f
atter eraton to ,be p reronce Pcarrsxoa lira,
than what might b nough mane t° miora"
subdivi has been 1.0 e divert to Y #rQm the - tory deer,
cion 'p+"oposal x}t'ed Frere thea xmng .mit! a� 5tatat
! t i ore
Chat "an of a parol Measure
Planning is stated split err~
maLantai h partinen t that, based on
hf data cifice u t
aHyl r meetings Wz }� �,sh art
some good re that was e'�dtnQ the 4 nt r
Pip a policy ndat ons a prop ded Commi ss onet i to d Gar* at the
Y to i:he Tbx s evi ew ' the
but fLtrthereource seetms to be ler^crecse has
SUpervisgrs !ban h:�t a Canseryata leading to ,'.made
nsaf Y needs tnbCleme the
de+�eY o dol l C nt, o the insert! an,
prnnt w tFai err as esta6l i sh; 4 e adoptyd b General
as we as t n i dents f i ed 9 r-ri ter_! G`t to Y the an ,
n ward of
hd hx s one deer ccarrx,y be co"ns i d
of 1 a3 mi F DeFartnent tof est s taF..x s �rtan eyed can
areas that rhe any
g at% -rail Corr!, and dame has hese r Wide z ,
pat Intl dor? atFter st�adjr
y ridzculoiks r�r, feedin identixi �watFe
this land, t6 thihk ` grounds e ss beim
"i'heY-a CUs 1 that the cher- °�' whatevQ,- elh* deet: a
hbvi '.Y can be heed evr�r- • i s
d vpi dpm�ttts - Y oua*_Ov Fro
that; ar, nod, t of
aping ;fie
COUNTY
'� rSJjli.f{'
interfere with the deer, and it call only be done On a cam
basis,basis, making, certain that any development Within these, defined areas
is cOnsistent with the policies that have 0 The;
adc Put� that Commissioner Vercru%e has litional in ve been adoptv.-
and Game is important. 5 regUestied from Fish
C�Omkmissiimner Walter- asked, if this means Fish and (3
ttj,come b�iAck with ano�ther study or if this am" 'is going tcj have
their filo-s, M in -forma -Lion isalreadyin
Commissioner Vercruse. responded that they have some
information naW4 specifical!
.Y in response to what wrzt,j-M trying to
wreStrlo v,-tth here. In the past Fish and Same has not had the t4
the +Lind-tn : I
-- kind of in -formation, and Yuba County is
a to obtain thii La+4 or
the same Siftlation r,iQ-ht NOW., Fi,sh and. Qjme VlOmted- more
response th•--M, so what they did 4-4as hire a Wildlife biologist to
rite am envirsnrcnort
metal impact report for, the portion,, and
id hiphe, actLlall"/ went out _ and did the fieldwork..
when
he d 1.
The Qounty paid, for his report and then
-,p 'the datta,
:knd Game feels that this is i
toa. Perhaps- if' Fish Pith and Game had
Should provide the data. mportaht, 4_he,,y
Chairman Avis. asked if it
Same U"d be aPPrOPri-Ite to write; to Fish and
requesting the additional information.
replied that
this recommendation Commissioner Vercruse
could be sent on to the Board as is,
and let them get the letter. 8tt(+ +stated that, the Board is faced
Wee-kly with appeal hearings On the impzl+- on dear herds, and it may
give sdme,die6ctiah
to the ;hoard as to vc
4hat is needed in terms 04
additional information. 8ecaLtse the �8aard, itself has not been in a
public hearing - on, the deer herd repart, it tqould be appropriate
--oard With those recommenda-Ubns.
come back to the to
Commissioner Vercritse expressed her- disi-nalinatibr., to ,r-einveht,
wheel'; and4 since the committee has been, working on this for monthsl
mort heari-qt w
n_ oul dn *+ held uhtj I i + came acjai m n
be the
Resource Consorvatimh Element. The Board shoUld, hou4'evee,. be aware 1
that 'if they Want to adopt any spr*tifia mitigation me-asuee% rtow. I this
im+oi-matlon Would help them do that.
Cointriissioner Lambert asked if these wePreliminary
that kliould be used in the its-bL-tWeen Period beetwo-on me
'Rr Jt4 01hd the
mid0ti0h of the� F�'OsbUrc�e Con5er,
""t'on E�Iementol Other words, i+ the4
8bar&d Wet"O able to kAto this i1h+drmat-jtn tO deal 0ith the projec+-s that
come % week, but it is not in final form'until it is
4orward week by
incorporated in 4.1he Nesourceonserya+ _h,,*
C i'an
that the appropriate policy,statements s $4a+f responder!M hbUl,d tome batt of that
document, but, there May be rh"
IticiAti0ht that could' be ofsrotl, or=
redesigns; '0r' Whatever would be necessary to eliminate the concerns.
r,11airMah Avis tugq-ested that Perhaps what t
ides into the Resource
CbhserY,atiOn Element Will be detailed e-riough that by itself it V1,111
stand UP,, or maybe :it Would be better to have
81ta+-FPQi,'nted out that the ketourte Conservation Ej,emk-
mt, Will address
this al brig with many rather subjects, but brie of the
oWdor things: that
Will Occur thrbutih that dbtUML-Ot WilM
l be the APPihg' tihd ideritiflyimg
of aj-eaS Of spot,.iaj b..., i
:are beihq
gome 64 the Ouet
directed back through the .Baarti to the Department of, I=!Bh
and Same
WOLIld then elicit the responses that are going to benee-deds in tflat
Commissioner Lambert -asked if -the environmental impact report would be
done, in conjunctinn witth the. Resource Conservation Element; staff
replied yesi
Chatrmanr Avis asked if there has even been a. formal Pe-esentation by
the Deer Herd Committee to the Board'; staff responded yes, -'the., report
was given tri the Board and the Smard'directed the Commission to hold
public hearings. Commiszioner Vercru-se asked whether, I -F the Board
wanted to adopt any mitigation measures, it Would have to come bacttt3
this Commissiarli staff replied no.
Commissioner Walter- asked ii, as part of an interim solution, the dog
control And fetIcing recommendations could be implemented without
c3
completing the rest of this. Ej+_a+f responded that the fencing
provision has been attempted to be used curreIntly, With, many problems
resulting. The C"�ppjiCatjan of that mitigation has been used only at ,
this time on Pi-Arcel maps. The subdivision of land is not the physical
development b+ Pro erty. so one cant-io+_ limit,, via the parcel map,. chat
P 1.
may oct:Ue When the actual construction is happe-ning.
rman Avis suggested alto
on both 4enclina and dags are
both drdinances that could be ado ::id� separate -From a policy statement
I 'PtL I
in the General Plan,; staff stated that the County could adopt a
Tenting ardinAnce or, Withinzohthe 'hg dis+.rIC-tB, Bathe, type of
I
+ehr-ing de -sigh could respond to this. Chairman Avis Pointed out that
fenting reqUiremehts were contained in the report tha+. Came OUt t) -F the
Deer Herd Study Committee and that 'he has not heard anybody soeak'dut
against them. This seems tin,be a reasonable type of limitation, to
-a. Staff added that
allow deer traffic to moVe through the are
speakiOg Agdintt the fencihg restriction' and/or prohibition Would come
in at the parcel map level:
Chairman AviB. tt,a+g _d that a doOrdi:nanc,�! would be a, different I story;
_v
there Might be objer-Atio'ns -r-Aised. The renting, howeL _r , coul d be ' do
ne
SbPaf-att ordi-hancel, and it does- seism to be something that most
People feel i's A reaSdhable measure.COMM'I
tsidher Lambert added that
there is perhaps Some Mi'SUhdertta6dih9 about the fencing that ought to,
be cleared up. ChairmarAvis stated that some peoplethink it is
mandatOrYj Which it is not, tt'z .lust that if one isgoing to build a
fence 'these standards Will be adhered to.
VjaB moved by ColnthiBs,iori er Yerdrusei sbtoridod by Cort hmissioner Pial ter
and UO,�NhituaUsly y
Pprdved* 'toforward thete rocommendat,ions, with
changes At noted;to the Board d+ 8Lkpervisons, cd,mmistibner Vercruse
pressed her Willingness to' make a Presentation to the Boar
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BUTTE COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION
MINUTES w- January 24, 1985 '
I PL5DOE OF ALLEGIANCE
l T » ROLL CALL: present; Commissioners Avis $ Lambert,
Veraruse, and Welter-
Also present; Bettye Kircher-1 Director of Planning
Fred Gerst, City of Gridluy
George ,,Rrabison,, City of Or gvil.le
Nick El l ena, Chi ca Ent►.,r pr i sd Record
William Sampson, Orovi l:l o Mr�!r°c"ry
Susan Ge,ar•s 5ecretar�r
X l T » CON55NT AGENDA - Approval of Minutes for January 10, 1984
Renewal +ori Temporary Mobile Wovo - dames
Hoopes, AP 72-14--41
Commiszioner Walter- noted that "!'Mother Load" should be changed, to
"Mother Lode" in two places i n ;she minutes.
It was moved by Commissioner Lamberts seconded by Commissioner
Veraru%e and unamimousl:y carried tr approvo the consent agenda.
TV. 00800 i°15ARINGG AND D GCU S'lO
Deor• Herd - biscut�siOn
1",01nmi ssi c►ner V
vrmruse prosomtod a list; Of recommend,ltions to be
presentod to the Board of Supervisors and e�;pl ained that the reason
+or the first list, that is, the requested information -from the
lopartmont. of Fish and Game, is, a result of her having road i•he two
ottidies that she mentioned in tier previous report,,
Apparently there are a number of f��ctors "�L"1T.ctt cor`,� infto pley When the
hard population a.. anzj of a numbger of
l wtxon ..s limiting
+actor"] andlthi Ingo can change from
thirst that is
a limiting f, " :.,r re has
Y �. _ , a static ran -.
year to year. It x� a dy�n�mmi.c situation
been very little momj+oring of the various +actorm and how thtr'Y play
off each other in order for the population two bu dotormined W
Until. we 'know which ].Are the snore important +'ACtorrr" and for ,a. ach
Iserd We car Wt Leel e. ar how important: parcel sees arks, a;•d whatapprtapri ate reel si JE�s Would 'bi=g suitable.
• BUTTE GC1Ui+ITY PI...F-1whd:o COM� (a aSiCINk
MINUTrIl-January 241 1985 paqU
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Commissioner Avis asked if t,je listen factors, from a pial ic,'
standpoint, were matters whi.c', should be recognized as foL t ors to bo
considered in development in tyre identified dc?r corridorq as oppot3rd
to, attempting to obtain this additional s.nformati.bn
f r roar t i r,h & eame or
whoever :t might be obtained from, and try to adapt a pa l l (�.:y that -fits
the r_-ondit.ions as they exist today,
t (arm,xB%ior er Vercruse replied that the, roason the information was
being requested was that in rrrdmr~ to come up with a minimurrrr parcel
s z e or formula for what would tie acceptable, that it scan " t be
art i, trrary it needs to consider all of the different f a(.torz, What
was proposed in the originaA rr pow t was arbitrary-, thorn wasn't enough
•iat.a. to Haack up what was being suggested, All of these things cannot
he known precisely from year to year, the Deernerd Commi them was
9ivr~n ho information an any of ' theri a thing% It is ithportant to be
aware of what is happening out'there,.,, and if any 1;ind of position is
to be taken on it it's going to make a difference, r-or xnsta,npe, in
the Eastern Tehama herd, the limiting, f actor' right Wrw a S the summer
ra ige, which isn't even in Butte County it't in Lannon County.
Therefore anything done regarding parcel sizes or anything else will,.
not Change the fact that the summer- range is determining the number of
doer if parcels dere spl x t dtw)n to tr se paint oaf half-acres or acres,
at some point the parcel size t ,ar.cl,d tel~time a limiting factor, but
night how it isn't, so it oasn't-Pnti+oned in the report nor was the
i nf,irmati on given to the
ldi:t' regard to the updating of tht t*ish, Harr,„ maps for Region: 7-, some
Of factort*3 that have r:nme into pla, rut— tly were not reflected
by t �e migratory corridors tart+crtlarly in Ir. t�3ooretowny8urrks Nerd
altho,igh l4,0t�g acres i
of rriwinter range��when the
•
Droville Dam was b6ilt, there w as nore+ZLIctiOnon the to
diffLr°ences in the mi Brat on patterns and, in fart;, the la#;rw did
a4+*c_- tho migration of doer, Developments tF at have occurred in the
hills over the 'last °few yvars and the increased traffic on the road
have also not ,been rofl ct,ed. dish & Game give the impression that
thore t,as not been is munit:r)ring program going; cin in order to be
acc"rate y ez�o the ofd patterns of migration contimLle to be the canes
indicated on the map%.
With r egar (4 to +undi nq , it is- possi b l o than; revenue could be generated
in the~ County for the department to improve range withOut f;cesp How
mvch,, or whrnro it can be obtainod, ai o L�rcerta%n. Apparently the
Governor signed nerd legislation into law in October- which would allow
far range %mpr ovemont, collecting the funds from door licensos The
Dopartmen,t of '5ish el Game did not have any figures and they vicrer
unclear as t.o how thasy+ could go about getting funding. It is alsr
LA, nal ear as to who would have control of the funds. so therm are
things h appLni nq now. ,at th,0 Gt tAte l oyo'l that tool d of f r_,ct this dovin
the line, and mMe spoc'ific ,information is needed `ren grow much money
available and 'how Mauch 1�urtte Qounty would be eligible ,for, -and 'what we,
BUTTE COUNTY PL,ANN O COMMISSION
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can do to use it in the COuryty i.f we ,need to compete +M- It;
Besides the legislation, ' a copy was obtained from Fish & Came of a
private lands management plan that has been used succosis,fully in Yuba
County and other r4ounties where the landowner- is given an incentive to
manage his land for range management and for game management and is
allowed to charge a fee for hunting on his property. For the
privilege of being able to charge that fee, part of that money 'can go
into range management and is an incentive that has been u%ed
rnucaessf ul l y
Incidentally, none of this information was available to the oritginal
Committee which is why thoy weren't mentioned in the r oport.
In comparing di,fferohmes in conditions and limikatiotir, in Butte County
to ttuose in bordering counties, the ,Lands from which the deer- are
migrating to :us are public,; mos=tly national. +crest -, �-x�me timberland
and they are managed as nubl,i.c lands. Fish 11 Came give the strong
impression that they were suggesting tame public management polirly f►:�r
Butte C;raunt:y 4ghen, in fact, 90 of o tr county is privately owned.
Apparently 'theyR do a' Low for differences in the management, and; thw r
comments would be helpful on the differencesin coosideratiorts, the
criteria, prig i,ties, etc. , who ch they are presumed tt have.
If this infrar matirn sari be obtained from Fish el Game and: it is helpful
in dvt,ermi ni ng what Brute County ` s policy should be,, it would tae a
good idea to cooperate end shit drawn with them and promise to encourage
c..ustoring where po%si.ble in the foothi.11st A commitment to that has
already boor* brought up in the discussion about a foothill study and
how it could be implemented. The adaption of appropriate policy for
Study Area 2, the Frjrest Ranch-Cohasset Study, was a beginning in that
di,recti,on at the time that study was done, mini.btttm parcel% were very
difficult to determinein the foothills becau'%e the variables were 'so
different. The topography varied greatly within a heal+ -mile, for
instance, aro did vegetatirao, %rail.%, etc,. Thercfnre minimum parcels
worun `t addressed~, but a cnnsysnnus was reached on cluttering and
perhaps that could be cbtrmi:ttv2d to how,
It's t-easohable tea, condition foncinq when �t ,i% pari of a propoaed
parc-e'l. %plat or pra.icct it`% +z-ki:rly easy to obtaih and could canfprtrt
sra that thm doer- viould not hare' a pr.obl,em with it. A dreg ardi,nanco i"a
more crantroverziol
With regard to limiting the transportation corridor access: where
feasible, this is one recomrrrendati tin that came out Of the report
becatKne Highways >2 and 701 for instance, are ma,Jar cor'ridwart
development. opment. along --trips up and dowft ma, mr arterials wtauld becomo a
problem not only far doer- but in terms o+ transportation sand
ci r aul.ativin. Thiz wv� s one of the considprati on% coming out, of the
+taoth l,l study. Tho Rostaurce Cotvservation El temtant i4 currently boi,ni�i
mompletod` and will go into 'hear'ihg% soon.
BUTTE Ct;1t]14T1' C'1AhiN11CRt`iM155;t Qty!
MINUTES--JanUar y 24$ tWi
Staff indicated that, it Would be ready for hearings try Mid-year..
Commassianer Avis asked if staff was anticipating ng camel hi ng out of thr
rG Commission as input for its recommendations: the rzomO ll Was yes.
Commissioner Vercruse stated that Whatever Gametal !spate
Pertinent to doer would come forward Would be- more a polit=y
ti,me. appropriate at that
An -additional recommendation wa,s offered as fol i r�wr "
adapting appropriate 7m ti gati arw mesttres on individual Consider
requested data becomes available. a If
; after^ all the Ctt�t Parcel. when
and rifted thr our h, zs determined that %t araquirec�
can be borne with=in the County and mate a difference �toe Migratory
horde, and there is notmiStatony doer
that time consideration might be given �tohadopting mi from thio 5tato, at
rather- than what has been listed here adopting mi tz gati on measures
nubdiVis.ion propes,11 air the time of a parcel split: or
Comms ssi onerAvis stated that, ti asod on mooti rigs with Fish Ej Game at
the t*l arms n po and reading tho surbseguent review sof
the mountain of data t
t o•ffirre
same g partmenhat r�aa�� prr�vid;��d, Cr"amrrrissiarrer Vorcruso hay,-
c�e�cad rr-ccrmmendat x tins. This, seems to be loadirrrl to the r�sortmo��
of a policy to the Resource Con$or'vatj on Elemr�nt ,ref the General plan,
but further than that a policy needs. to be adopted by thV Board of
Suporv't"1ro insofar as establishing cri tori a to b�cogs
Bevel op.m nt within i denti. f iod deer corridor z. Err�rrr the � till study
as Well as this one it appear
Of land the, DAG has 7 itierrt�ecisathat to i.ngdoethose t-athor Wide sr��athe
c►rr iriors or Feehinr , migration
g grounds or rvlatovcrit x s ptrrrttly r i da .
t%iz tit. that t; ho door meed every 'square foot of tills t cul oars to
arrdy There
nbvibu!r;,ty carr: be dovelbpments in there that are riot ond-g to xr�tor~fero
with the deor , and it can Only be done on a case�:ot goingcaza bass i making
cort:ai n that any development within those def i nod areas i. s ccrnsf st .tent
faith she pol iciest that- have been ado tnd�
h t; i.oner Ver'�crueo Dian~, requested p The additional yrtfsuiT that
frgm -iz
rrx
h � C�arrre x s important.
Cammi Zsi 6nor Wal for ast.od .f tills r
means f:i.slt i1 Gartre go;rig tri have tr_i
t hrei r- f'i'les. with Commi ssi rrrer'dy or if 'r;r er cse this a r r strati r rr is already ' i
informatiran nzar, ;bass.+ir-zl.t.ly iii restscrr�sentwhat ded twer e tryingthey 'lave towrestle with hero., in the past: SVFG has not Egad the staff crr the
fLmdinq t.o ubta;xr, this ;' xrld of irrfOrmation r°and 1i:�bri County is ftlr it
who same xtrt4tt s rigiat, now. 1li=G WAnted Mre response from thorn s�
what they riiri was biro a wi.ldlifo bialogist to wr t.ren rrr eFvirorrm(111 S
""Part ropc,rt, far the f rrakhi l�
actually waorrt� t end %i� d th.e f oldwr r69: y n"ThrehCprrhe did his repart he
r"'eport and thea Pith & Game had tho data, tura, t orFh ry� id for hit
feels that t:lrois is !Mpor�ttint, they sl�rjrrl,ri prWo�ridQ- tho data. sh Game
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..tom.. �-
Commi ssx tamer Avis asked if it
Would be eppropri ate t
additional o wrG .�1tt nn
ito to Fish itit
81Commis'soner, Vercrusereplied that this recommendataahco l� �esent an to tile Board asand let them et the letter„ Staff stated that the hoard j%+aced
weekly with appeal hez+rings an the impact on deer herds, and it may
Qivo some direction for the Board as to what is needed in terrrrs Of
additional information-. Because the BPar-d'tsel f has not been it a
public hearing can the deer herd report, it would be a
� ame back to the Board with those recommendations.pprapritx�°t� to
Cornmi aMi Me -r Vorcr use expreeita ed her disinclination to ,�r r'�r, rtvi+rk h the
Wheel" and
since the committee has been wo
mrk; nc� on 'l,r'11 [:, �f 4`kIW crtC�rkthrS
more rkearirrgs wotkYdn `t be held until it came forward t1r4ai k in the
Rest (1r o(I Conservation Element.
The Board
ard shorld, hmtewa vc4
, be aware if, they runt to adopt any specific citz9tYqnih*rQt~rr►ati0n Would heap them do that, how, thi
�
Comffii iAsi over Lambert asked i+ these were w e c ,
that wcaktld be used in the ira�bet�•reerr preliminary r�r tJrnimerkdatiMs,
Period between how and the
adoption of the kosourree Conservation Elements. In other words if the
Board Were able to use this in+ormationto deal with the
carne °Fsarward wee} by week, but it is not projects
�ittis�hat
in final fora until
incorporated in the Re -source Conservation Element. Staff resppnded'
that the appropriate policy sta4-ements should cartDrat of that
document{ but there may be mitigations that eoulc1 be off+_red r r
d
reesi.rensI orwl-latever would he necessary ta=t eliminate the cor-rcerns,
CoOmissiaher r"-rvis suggested that, perhaps What
the Re
Crans+wrvati ern Clement will he detailed er or. gh that �bynto itself bswi l l ource
starkd upi or maybe it wOuld be better to have, a separate policy*
Sta�f,
Pointed but that the Res,ourco Conservation 51ement Will address
this along with many rather sub3ects,, but one of the in�tior things that
occur through that dr3cume±nt will be the arra
Of areas of Special' concern Same of they t4.4ae%tPori�gand that arebeing,directed back through the 4riard to the lac
would then elicit the responsez that are (going to be n0od ;ancs Etta
documentK laartgment of �oeded .n that
C Ommi &,si Oner Lambert asj;ed i+ t -he ehVI" ronmunt:al impact report 'wain d be
done in e:cyn j r.rnet i ran with the, Razo rtrco C;or Servat:, ora lament l �.:,t�ftF
ropl i od yea,
Ctrnmisirrrlet rvi.s as{o+l if-ht�r£e has evon been + frarrrral rrtxtie7r
prost.
by the Deer Hord C'orrrkmatt+ee to theBcaard stuff r�e�-�pcat`kci��r� �,�esthe
repmrt was giveM to they Board and the Board direct*d Vio Comlvris ion for
11010 Public hearings. Ccamrrki.gsiOM*rw Vercr Use asirr d whk herx f the
Board WaQt bd 'to adri t arty mi t i that i ch nk,ea r rr-es t t would or+, � ,
b�ac,k to tt°ris Cc mrni ra ° + , �. to dome
staff r~eplio-d no.
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Commii ssi loner Wal ter asked i f , as part of an i rater i Eta =aaJ t,0J on, the dt•4t
control and completing thencing rest ofcthis. Staff respondedd be that
Without
p at the G�rttsi ht�
Provision
completing h e
en ed currently, wii'h awiny problems
re!aQ , ti ng. The i eatliondtrued
of that mitigation has Leer sl
this time on n t -IJI only t
parcel maps, The subdivision of, land ir, f��t'l t;Itti?
development of property, it is getting it ready to offer .til- to
duvel op v so one cannot limit, via the parcel map yeh a til rw, what may
Occur cur- when the actual construction is happening.
Crammi ssi onor Avi, s suggested that limitations on bol kfl � c*r��;t ng and dogs
ctru both Ordinahces that caul d tale adopted separate u r ra policy
statement in the General Plan staff stated that thti Criunty could
adopt a fencing ordinance tory within the Z -on ng diotVILLs some type
Of Fencincl design could r-+ssp+ond to this, Cbmmxss onn +ria po rztedpt ut
that fencing requirements were contained` in the rep(ir� .t. that came ot.tt
of the Deer Herd Sturdy Committee and that he has ,npii h and anybody
speak out against them. This seems to be a reason �, � type of
limitation, to 0110W deer traffic to move through thr1 nrea. Staf r
added that ,peaking against the fencing restriction orlc,1',/or° prohibition
Would come in at the parcel map bevel
Commissioner avis stated that a clog or=dinance would bc! a different
story-, there might be objections raised. The fencing, however, could
be done by a separate ordinance, and it does seem to be something that
rno k aeo�i e feel is o reasonable mea
Cs6Lam
bert
d
ded that there as Perhaps some Misunderstandngabo�tthe fenc%natOu ht to be cleared up Commissioner Avis Stated that some people
thinkxt is mAmdatrory, which it jr.nrit. It "s aus� that �� one ,ice
g i3nr to build a fstace these standarft will be adhered for
It was moved a
by Commi sst_
jtanor Uerruso, seconded by Commissioner Walter
Y aPPrOvOd, to frarward these recommOmd4ti0hs* with
changes as ndtL-d, to the Board of t:jcperwxsaroi Commissioner vortr rase
e.r,.p essed her will ngneos to make a�trt3s4�ntat on to the Board.
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Deer Herd Committee
's Report (Continued open from 12/6M4)The folloaaing is a report by Gommissigrser 41PrGrutse
Received a copy 4f the Mother within it i s the L.oA Deer Herd Manrzc�cmeM'� plan and
management plan for resident deer herds in Sutte and
Deer Herd Shad}+ a nclt.tdes deer Studies were done
Other counkzes. Two mitrator
Count,/ portions of the northeask � pastern Tehama
/ and the DUcks-Mooretown herd section which ���.��aon °f Butte
and southeast porti ions of $utte court t� acldrt� uses the east
Wildlife management plan for / Also recei vert an example of
4t)1 of prx Lately owned land which :implements
the State Fish and Game Code.
reserve and allows the Propertybasically segs t,t�i a Wildlife
for a fee not only for deer but other wildlife allow, awel 1
in coniunction with the Department of Fish, and Earn hunting an his propertjr
I'k i o set up
collecting fees. e for the purpose of
Conclusions reached after 'reviewing the material
l„ Agreed to develop 3anguage in the Resource-Co
2.
Establish where in the Count,/ limiting f actors yr at x on Element
wind maps that identified the.criticaleyyds i5 the
rangerSaw
=
but did hot xdehi.y the minter ranges `khat
toter range,
factors •for the herds. were the limiting
Department of Fish and Game recagnates
that Critical Winter rant3p i n Bute i s
not the limitir,
herd POPLtlaticin for the eastern Tehama N=rd, Estebl sh factor an
when µix rater range i s a limiting factor the x, where,
y parcel sizes are a
Part of that ,imitation and apply lar er
par"cel_s There they ,are and ;how the g parcels and smaller
y are limiting regards to their
Ziz both.thehhunting andsthetnatural on should,also consider ,e
has affected the natural predators. Ihcr�ease Of predators
- heeds and the range. P dators)
Snowden-
the variable"s of the range, �lnich, actor s..
g
s was oat considered in
hart! ding to Jim
►�, have been largr the
In the last few years as to deer
Population' Ohe other such variable is not oral
harvesting
but the ander harvesting on. over
the herds.; Thehimact
�.at resident deer herds
tri have on the ran e
herds use. 9 conditionshat
-�e» i5 also a factor and should 6e discussed:
When consideringj
parcel So
and identi+ying impacts.
Correlation taetween rahges as well
herd it having bra the sameas What impact the r'es'
flot? that ' x dent
deer are dependeAa' on should be establithe resident shed» and
llitG,,rorey
a� �nrour=ate
.ti on of land oNirarM, 1
eskablithing hunLihq in private range meat emeht by
E.;pure the permit Arran ementr
possibility of adopting indiv dua rger holt3ings.;
st.► table parcels„
management plaits on
t1T'�'� CC�Cii�`i"�'. �'it�Ni����`.C�2•i���"SS�D�..�t�:f��
`Cris u JftriU 'C �0, -19
4. To seek ran a 2m rovem
9 p ent funds under current l er+:i sl at,i on f car
critical winter rangeareas and develop a cooperative plan with
Fish and Game
Butte County and land owners for Oppropri ate use.
-
'9. Allow for clustering of dwellings ortparcels of 40 acres and/or
thatunder
therelloW ca� berc�usterineer Qr�where i`fn allots some flexibility so,
ppropriate to work
ground the corridors of the gherd migra:Ls
Encourage PUD Is.
j 4. Incorporate by re4erence the two studies ;mentioned earlier and the
Mother Lode Deer Herd i•lanagement Plan which incl`ud'es, the residence
studl in the Resource Conservation Element.
7. Explore the conic�-zpt of the Wildlife Management Plan. As ars
alternative, use tit; �3 fain i„n con:iunction with supplemental
developers fees for traPa
8. Explore with Fish and Game aya.,iging dor range, management
before recommending development
9. Consider private Wildlife management planson measure
to migatory deer herd papulation problems...
Chairman Avis questioned the need for an EIRa
Staff stated ther Conservation Element Ampndmertt is subject to 6EG2A),
but that the policy recommendations you alight make to the Hoard are
not. Staff asked i f there was any -feeling as to ►.►he
Would n a recommendation
�aul d be forwarded to the beard becktuse the Advisory Agency is
laboring with this problem Weiekly'.
Commissioner onie
Vercru e felt that this rbcommendation shauld'have been
Committee and all of this was, i of ormati tan that :would have
affected the repor't., What she ajas trying to get at with these
'rrammendat"Ohs, was sbMehow to t.a'ij; about fees in relaktion to
otal► �t
hdr monies were aVai 1 abl e , talk about mitigation measures if
peo,jects were clustered and to telt; about private land management.
Z
She felt that what came out of thie C'ommittee's report was a publicland management plan; he
a -,eOarate report =rbe private lands
If we could take the r-doalmeridati a - and reduce it down to somie 4,ind,
of
appropriate laoguace the hearings could be, :set stow 4or public
input.
Chairman Avis asked iJ the thought at this paint rias to sent! forwar f
and rec-Ommend a policy statement to be adopted by the board
Carnm;i asz doer Vercruse questi bned i they should haV
+ir t .. She re uested the e polity 5tat,emerlt
policy sta�.ament be written by staff E
accordit-19 to V►II t she ,just r%ptart'ed. She questioned x t cnu7t4 be
used in ' the general plan lang4tagek She wanted to kntaw o4l,at Staff :s
!Daking ve the Advi sar-y agency prbbl. em»
dor to relic
i �r �j r itc x�r fir.;nt��t tNG . ate tlSS �oN rtx t arts.._ ,lfru . �
Deer HerdComm ttee' % Report
Crsn►missioner Vercru%s' statO-O that st'��� had met with Jim Snowden rtnra lin
E;awer of the 'Gepartmkent 0+ rslm and Dade. She stated t'hoL a prtiblrm.
the had going thio ugh the report was she -felt that there wory holes in
the dact.Wmsntaattion. She state. tha_ � this meeTing Iriittt F=ish and Game
there t,ere two str.A.dt.s rperts thats�pve-` macae,va i adl4� to the
leaf r HerdCommittee on-� ai.L� the `ieh ama Sty dy and tea, sir:-jnd one W
ttjr, tljooreetwAri Study. Sne disciassed the gue,4ticn of a'w zt� i thert;, a
-iit manacemAn= prL.cies butween pu!t4ic alnd private
l.-Ards," and it was her r.tnder t- a0di ng at the pi ibl i c ho ,r>- ngs that there
wlas not, b,-it she fo1nQa,t°L tkrere>a= a ii'f+ererece _ :itrru s"tteci �rh *l>
thr�vv is I r iv w,t.e lands management plan which wad not available to
the committee, ,ranch she would like to reviews this plan. She discussed
tho studies ceo%sinrg county lines the report dnaz not and the
hemi% Migrate across county lines and the r ahgm conditions on the
otFaor side o,f the County limes do effect The herds,* she stated
that there is recent signed by the Governor, that rha es
10vai 1 ate i e f 4.!nd ng far rzanc0 improvement through deer I. i censes v*ji cl
will bec.nme of +ective, in January l gSS3, The Departm - I a Ei sh and
Game will riot begin ranee management until Jttly lF785 Shte felt this
would have art a +uct, on the report. She stated that she felt the
report was inadoquate.. She has ;r!ere,:A
vd copies o4- both deer herd
studies and she teas getting copies o+ the mamagetne+ht plan and
legi.sl�tic�nw
Commi 5si oner Avis d i scusuaAd. crossing, .Country lines and wi nttyr ramga
verses uummer rangta, nat ted that erre o thL; ., cammants in the study was
that the Eastern Tehama herd was an exception th,--At their sumner' rahg
is the critical problem not the winter rat g`,, He noted that ante
General Flan r-evisions mkt o+f the beer* Hwt-d SWdy Would probably be
irr.t-Orporc-Atcd into the Resource Conservation Elerttent
This report watt coati mue-d to dandary 10, Ig8S
" i?I, r.. tir1>t~;. lye-fit
llUT'X 1.bUty"�IN CGS irS 1 t7 MiNtJ �.�, b
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Deer Herd Policy (Wrap Up)
Chairman Schrader briefly summarized the status, of t°pis stem thus fiar.
He also acknowledged additional correspondence received and opened the
hearing
Sohn Williams, 164 Riverview Drive, Oroville, vig.r., oly urgedthe
Commission to oppose the 1 G;nd use ordinance port c n t.�f khe deer Nord
policies.
Crnes't Hatch, _3548 Riverview Tari Clrovi 11 e, re re-°,
Community Together? p enting ;pCT °(AtE;ins
an organ Yon Compri wed of°er,, cier)ts of the
foothills and. tnoun•k.ains east. off• CTro�1211E I read a .preiapr�tat�il�h
study*
the organization's opposition to sperify,c poi,nt5 in: the
study,
Fred Mayberry, b,-%00 111.ISR, Or•ovi ] 1 e
ead a.
President Reagan expressed his 'views�aboto sewsPaee clipping Wherein
Ut,Mr. Mayberry also expressed his opposition.- Byrne .nf policies.
Herb Cl son, 8309 h1MSFG, Ci►"ovi l 2 e 7 representing tris North ei dwell
Property Owners Assn., feels the policies Will ability of property owners to develop and seal tlei e property. the
Chairman Schrader apologized to those waiting for other hearing,a f
the short time scheduled for this hearing and tha,,t thA c or
running over time. _ hearing was
Commissioner Ver•cruse' stated that there has been a lot of, input and
q I 1 p heir comments to h.ew
requested that those speaking. lease limit �
ioformatibn. She would like to be able to meei in
Presentation - �ubcomm o eandw
then make a resentation for the Commission`s cbr;sideration and hold
hearings on the specific reccrmm�ndatxons uuhir*h tn�ill be dltzmatel
adopted or rejected. y
Dean ki. Foster, Shi rgl a Spri ngs feels that the aM
priority ahead of the rights of the ni+nals are getting
are being deprived cif their tights. property gHJnerz Ahd that owners
W. L. -Warren , 4662 WSR y Orovi 1 l ebeen takon into consiy feels that economic factors hav
n t.
Commissioner (_ambert I hot;i ho that: the Dept , of Fish ahci Game has been;
taking a lot of f 1 ick � asked if F x sh end Game -vas r7randr7ted by
iegislature'to peotott the deer hords
1-716 8hbwden Dept of Fish and Gamey answered that the legislature h
given the Dept. of Fish and Game the re�tponsd th t of pegislaiur as
wildlife. He indicated that their Dept, wanted to+wr�rF#' rrai.th the
County to dVelc�a away to a11ow develcapmerit in this fdrthills. arcl also
Protect
deer herds (the same ti mo and this i,s why thb rr-
ax5crrt��eor�n __
scheduledand
Additional discussion of Commission regarding l
the number of 9 ength of hearing, time
p waiting to be heard.
, 1.��8,:> Wagstaff` people
b '
Bob Malquist Y " gstaff Road, Paradise
member rad
More peopleCame s there�tar-epeak ng in his individt.�al capacitythf� Fish and'
the lest r •feels the
the i�oothills a 9amorpo�t seg•. Darin
h_ has been seem T �J hi`'' tome spent in
He would like to Work with the Committee t i ah gh? his end Lhas a F'.
i s a problem.
Came Commissioner) on a new dog ordinance.,
Fish and
-,•I Van Gooden..
4244 Durham Dayton Road,
ly,
r;=comm
endations can be made withoutOrovil lei doesn't thin
evommendations those People making those
r going nut to see the proper-try.
LaV&ne Daley, 9524 WSR I Orovi l l e
Was Put into the stud sin � doesn't know wh t
raw years back. Y since a dog ordinance v Y he dog ordinance
'She al so adopted >tatewi dam► a
mentioned diseases in the 'deep- herds.
Cr=c:iia Long, a native American, 7194 FFSR. Orov"
PfIt-OPl e have learned to survive in this count t e, indicated that
Have respect for them. She airy With the animals and
- P o said that she
deer herds in the 50 years shy has hasn't seen migratory
WOUld like the _ ha., resided in the count
human element taken into con5i derati o�5 when
r-ecomnenciatIons are made.
y, and she
Doo Duensing, 4u Cherokee Poad
little deer migration. Ornville, says that
there is very..
'Scott Olry, 5 Chames Ct.
r Clt
should be notifiedof thestudy. l l e, f eels all no land: owners
'
M lye Evans, Chai rman of the Deer
Corni,tISs' oners and residents for their coricerr�Study I oanc tte
dernonstra,ted as land awn>rs e. thanked the
responsibility
Pauline Overstreety. San Pablo
and oPpose:d to the o��ner of pro art
Proposed restrictions p� y on Oregon Gulch Rd,.9
rer. of ved From
ACT into the record subm.i is a l otter she
Chas, Fc Tian Schrader- closed the h'eari ng',
Chairman Schrader thanked the Committee Far their t'
An the s ProSec:t.e thin xme and dedrati;tan
ordx n. t�ce 4p�� e 4pressed his ctsncerns re
7 acre minimufT, eX size, e, and the �45garding the dog
enhanuemAnt dee.
p per a&re deer
;rimini_,sionfr Lambert suggested a map be the .th;jng in the areas of cpncern to e
p pared that Would idertti Fy
nr eat ideal o the yea is Alread �. help narr-o t t down s ne+" a
par-co y si res. mooned to 4C. and 20 acre to ni n elm
a Y
'PLJAA
tNT1VC c h>nt ssi v n`t.tNUTP,
i
Y
Commi ssioner Behunin thanked, the ,audience for coming since ,he feels
personal property rights, are sacred and people need to be willing to
stand trip and voice their opinions and not let thein rai'ohts be taken
away. He +a --Is the issue should gra to subcommittee? and then make a.
proposal for the public's comment and; that it is possible to have
orderly, dei el opn�ent in the foothills.
Commissioner Vercruse Trelt that work sessions are necessary to
farmulate concrete recommendations and would support 4 subcommittee.
She also felt that the Commi ssi ori should be able to address their
questions to the Dept. of Fish and Game and the Committee. She had
several questions from the text of the report addressed toward the
Dept.. Of Fish and, ,Game.
One issue specifically that Commissioner Vercruse felt needed to be
addressed was that of -Fees.
Starting with Page s of the study, Commissioner Vercruse alted minimum
parcel sizes that .are appropriate and suitable for 411 areas were hard
to establish because the •topography in the foothi2..1s is not uniform'
and at -1 -ted the Dept of Fish and Same to address that fact.
aim Snowden stated that it tgasn't ,lust a matter of topography but of
vegetation as well that would indicate larger arger acreage need.
Commissioer Vercruse asked Mr. Snowden about the Department's other
means offunding habitat improvement. -
Mr. Snowden indicated that Fish and Game doesn't have other means, but.
the California Vegetation Manage ant Program administered by the
Department of Forestry is using fire as a means of range Mand
improvement: On a project -by --project basis, the land owner- pays a
vertain percentage.
Commissioner V_rtruse asked ed tf the Department of Fish and Game would
_ r the tlrst timer their own funding to manage range.
:.
be 1rl1t1ci�1 to
Mr. Snowden replied that under this prbgrarnj no. The idea of this
'funding carne up at the panel leve] and 1f a
by the County. pprowed wjoul d be col l iicted
There was further discussion between omm ssiriner Verdruse and her:
Snowden and Sob dopes o•r the Dept. a+ Fish, and Game, and Commissioner
Vercruse said that she f eel % it is important to obtain 1 of ormAti,on
fromthe
hDepartment of Forestry on, the existing program far ranee
Commissioner Vercruse asked wha-L•_ are the s,peoific goals for horn
nte?nance? within the areas identa.fied.1 that haws been adopted by
Irlma
sh Lind Gene:
ANS I�tG, CQjti��TSc�N. '1Ti��,
e'
Mr, Snoa+den indicated
that
been completed or nearly
they have herd
here mandate management plan.,that
completed for Various have
di F f i ce l t to S to ,Plan for aedeer aus her•cls i.n the st
increase because of habitat loss. se' Some -ate..
are completed for the ,._ loss herds wdi 1 X. be
are in progress. Tehama herd.. Bucks mt_ t`tanagement policies
and Moaretok,h pal r_xrs
Commi ssi On fur
Vercruse asked wi rttl=�
based an the e if the
criteria in the report. t�Jas somes are good o.
ranSTe conditions: +" poo►^
iudr4ment Passed on -the
Mr. Snowden indicated that
Parcel of land. The good mould be a case
inappropriate becauseterms by'-case b tsi;s an a,,
a,
there POO be in' ganeral soul ci be
are many I=actors to be
commissioner Vercruse idered.
asked ;; be
Private lands a "` there, are deer Per s'
n Bette C u
a ar
to 4 __ e
ty» rnxle figures.
Mr. Snowden said that. thele isn't.
UP with those fi.gtAre, becruse same hlo attempt has beendeer tt .An another. Pieces of land trade to ecme
can supP�lrt more
Commissioner Uercrr_tse inquired about i nr�ort;t3ti
ratio on range i rT►pravei inquired
x
this information would n terms of dollar on an the cost benefit
from spendin Prove what kind of beneftUU1d bShe feels
9 more obtained
On range improvement on �rrivatW Would
bi
Mr. Sow
y o
n den indicated that t
there are various his is addr'ssec4 In tee
Deer ect�nomics, studies goingo F herd plan and
n at the Present trote i n' regard td
Chair-man Schrader a5t;l�d Co
brought up in a committee hearnonr Verr>cs:+�
if _these poi ntt coUl d be
I n this ;al tbI i c record. o She indicated that she wanted d
this
Chairman Schrader act4no+Nled
suggested that w,►hen the commiettL�arrtl �t5 pxoth
f=ish and Game the 'mee'tin bP are vcr�
kaf F importanttgand
to take input from the a recorded because' this Ir`d the De t. f
;that this , pLtblic» a z s a public hearing
ya to subceammi ttee to He ��si.�ed the 'Commi ssi tan
cbMe' bac o if they agreed'
Cammi ssi ori�er tamba . - ndatx ansy
_rt .indicated Lha .k 'sh `with rer mina
She Would want ,� r
Gommiasiaribr Rehunn felt that P �agres5 repgrt.
the public,, p't3131artil s ne+'dQd to be brought baci�
Chairman Schrader t� b , or
With the Det pPainted Commissioners
these P » of Fish pad Game and t�vi s attic) VercrG18e tq meet
grtest'ions
and to recortf the tho deer t ori c rimxtte'i to b
h mee'xrig, tar
9 over,
Mr. Map" ihdit'kted''that they �tattld meet a �,
ConIAerahi once. k th,L
committee wax Cmmrni s%i onol� s
h comms � � come back
Th s Will not be, a ttii th a pr tac_tres+� report
plrtb l i c h ori n .. Port Oh rjt. er 114,
ext that time! pt.tbl%c heroin xf t"
here i s calla h ..
g ` Wi It be schedul ed M a of ormati sin
4 LA
NNtNtr,�-8,a tolh'h6l• 1:0 ,
10.44 _
s
9--13,_84
.. Plan r COMM SS ion _
` held in Chic _ its Cour we EL'ing, -
. ^i l chambers
Tape L side l
i r
Mike Evan
s Chrrn. of De
ariy questions Dee Herd Panel - availbblF. tti
new people here tone�7ht with now ariscrer,
Ke-- zl 1fie�r Chita Ideas.
7 hsrrk you for hold; ` Friends of FOO thills
and »nE; ht in Chico. 2;sue
closet spoken often before an he has i'ollo�yed
that have come before the Comm � { issues on v trifid ,,
' , -mss. on anti Board Projects
I�eetl to act with some dispatch� of upV.
o protect Critical ra be nothIn
as a. res IRIS have q is 'being done
;r r
foothill pro ects n" �' not: been, re
result.- of `aPpe*118 to 'the Hoard quire .S pv
Vro 'ects e
� get approved �� i ttioUt, �"TR r
Fish & Game Dept. �a_ and th;e:-
and Fish & Game OfCi're bsl3ctve the
Butte Count s omni ss.
Y hnuld begin foll.ot7inr on }'xr►o do;deci that
the IAw.
if the Isar; had been f'ollolJed thvt were on th
not have the serl,ous e books
fol.lOWin - the ,. problems cve do no%./ � rre would
lay, nosv are Would � s evratt Cf ;tie began
Or! our hands. If r,e cion' do u t ll have 'a sort ous
eliminated. 801"Iething, deep herd, Will
��i11 be
Feel those who
dart t t know or realize
criticized the make-u
and a ali�,tr tiLltt is going been selected,
p 'o£ the committee
ppoin�ed b ng ozl, having
y t'he Board of Sun ervi cors, and the
motive of the Panel should,' not be a.ttaoked
h.. content or
a good job ��'ith no thanks and p lot o.t they have done
8 e"'t a their time.,
tln& srs +.
and and, respect
rights are beP; g lost Property Owners Who t:hl - thdir
Of the m-18rator I but feel: just as strohrn property
y dray herds aro beinn fi the r; ghts
o.,t too.
State and county lav states And thtu t f s tate u t�; l
q clearly thy be protected
Feel
� has t . been dofle ah recent
F gel s Past.
Ludy 3 s Yell done and carntar.eher�stvc. The
comments made by the Bard
on th`r ss that -hbrh re have beerl
a subject, fdel ttzt s re ort is i" nc�trtatt h infer,
P s Well documentrr ed nt-nt � a,�l
-some say Jt t s loos
restrictive., to me it ►s
7 would like to see ithat;
to some, extent, f�;eZ•,tiils Is ar��iititprorn�ehd�gftio�isucVldtlve he eri0modg11
n oit�;
r�ttr;ck an pzioEaert I don tt feel 3t I s an iec
:t rue of y o�+rter s richts in j'ootlrl`11s
pxotectn t
Count F, he deer herd,t in "the � but is an Importst t,
County ,aktd devoloprtiont. foo thil�,�- of ik
Clitte
ounty 'thKlt Meds to be d'dresc ed a s r ,OU4 ra'Objem in BttLLc;
add,res;#e
d.
Fob! t}xa.s is acot<tprt�tnise rtazte that call v;;, .
approved a
~soon as pos,141blt:. Pts hsva ort bbd Should be
that, t':3 not; br:01 prlot.eoLed at , a groat Nesotttice,
attt in :+ttpPO"t off' ivory dobe ail. 7,akira het'a
for t art rig the time. to oto .�t t:l th=� � a �re,rt step �ertt,
its
,nk tt�e rtemh�rrs of the psn,1
II� read report - in supporo thank members of
Pat O Tta3'11
panel, rrtlo took time to do it .
-�"+ �. �. es:df
ent Uni� t� d ".)SPortsnien
Chico
0
7J p-
5 sera oua problems:
t the deer herd htis very
It is a well kho%vn facround.
w r
'ch development and poachers anoc�r, l��'ner�rcr�lk��;er��n�paal��.
one of which comments to the wintering, ��'
stricting - little I�not�lecse of
R° -
to Fast Tehama Her
- T have very
P rticularly
the other tcro herds in Butte County• t a vct�y rtj�id rat in.
• U habitat a serious fond
The Fast Tehama Deer Herd,Ie grounds. We have a vcry food'
d.at
both rrintet' and sut;lner raa�(; An ` t
problems now for the animals that
orwinter eranlge�z`�_ ng
shortageP r
developmeno f twng h� rove a k0f 5 e and you 'clear the ground for it
all effectf I you app 1 ea,t away �'roi;l the
you have taken virtually
1 2 to l acre ocr habitat
will not. and can not be replaced.
annals. that bit of ,habitat .10 dan because there
ti�:e feel that Nve need to save every nd yeah
are a lot of other factor
s that h�`llper the does hr���k1�� r��ght no�v, vas
to save white ver habitat, we can. lbutaas aepliac calatnatter a
needrood to have 40 acre parcels,
it sounds c, P't�rsonally
I�0 acre pare vr.th one house and, two 'dian:�eaal�� every deer off
ds
that parcel as 4ve11 as every otkaEr migratory
feel dogs have no
effect
oorhti.11nareasdYou will f n,d. ..
realize some people
if you ,ask the cattle ranchers in the
.,t are laying around' the house all day are out all
Those dogs t -hu
n;49ht running the door off-
not have i0 aures to eat off ...they iced that food..
sedoenotahave ehough_ food to w -tike it thrau
gh the year. clave had
they the last utas 197a--1977
lost 66 or 67 �7
several docit�nened pears, food.
fa�y�r, lost thgt died. that year for lack of
•;� ta4ira<, bore habitat 'tAvtay fron them v�ill not heli
have a pr oble� netzlsions inW
t ,oblo.mi Our deer hard is on the ,line richt help
thep `
is right nd'vr tie haps can help reverse the trend.
.solving
several, pro pec g
in Certain areas
Sive serJ.ous thought to al.la�"�n8 developments
Ask that the
volmiss:Lon g are Ding to
-. deol 'habitat aras�s, 3.n foothill. �ire�.s axtcl what they g
in deer range•
ittrt�t
� ;deer
do to the � � 1 area
s�-totwt,a�atj naf�falodof.�hose
Th area of Sdilott Load in 'the k'oresi'
lost, becau:3o of
area that is roti, virtually rc�he, cl�tit t -rt o�oYT t nta an0bhai range,
t. 6 g� � y , , y e y for .
�atlim� l:t ht,V6 no Pl e' 3rlytle ,airy -std there
� o.
� tlt.e u.st �;otr�pete vt�.th '�h� o�hcr art
,f thou: do ► y S
their food- y csiti,�'o step
w6ul.d '111. O to see the cc urIty at1�l: c o i,,, Dilly n t e vt.ry P.
1, c el o rc►e;t1U up the'ro � not o t t in that earl to Pita efoo� but
n cOntrnl l tYt(, dcv P tieeatts a 'thOo e e nttttal
Also itl the ttit.rg,3.nal on"Slot of s en4t e.
n• �yelop up
d, whole ro 'mc��'a.n�, into the tnti�� in'�l�a��a�s tnor�� �tl'iCl Mbt z, stmt to e
i h tkt6:1 o f o o thills do esn t m..
tmt- 'but thevc1ti a, lot
Ul tc� It l)pt}t�t lsa b�- � , t �',�k, ,k tet I -t •' ` "
t5t ",'l cct the d..o'r att11 and 1
l.eveln��
there sxtst a lot ofi�r-
4-13-81 3
si,tfor going up there clearing off t1ios e�thells r
don't see the necescle off brush and directly effect£nS
teari;n€; out trees, clearing; ,
deer herds. If vie dont reverse the Eftnf rethisnxoha iat all.
vie
yoitr'z�.
rife may not ha'te much of a deer herd 1
id really 13 ke to see some very hard line ;Pol t o S ():r develolso l
We vrovt
regarding development in the foothills
vans Conservation Chain o I n butte County.
the Yahi Group of the sierra. Club.
Steve E------ roximately 450 memtaer:�
V e havo over $00 members, aPP
-o ori record as sup por
dJ'
T�iil:e to �, ort:�n this stL
jave Y
e
hin some reservations about some of the a recommendations
1f anyt g do not go far r;lougta, but vie th; nk it
ar,ad Peal in some instances they
is a good step in the right disectesal.vinF, someeofotthglMsoblemsaand
n �
i-
atinns arid, Will go a lon� way in r4
impacts, of residential development in the 1;00U an: oar migratory
deer herds that are deell ni g
Oli
A r6W lssues We wof the
ds fortahab tatsimprovvemment will unclear
the creation of the adv for the
Don't feel it i� explained very cleat,l r n plan. xno'+�ithe�iland formoney
gill, be raised, but unclear a. to �7ctio �v51L be sellln�,
habitat inprovoment etc.
Re-Iterate our support for' the cUrron't recomr-nendat—tons and re--Iterate
o s ee Lal habitat rags al r ea ; fbe
our support, that vie r+outec.tine bo see some stron �er avorciin�, in thereetc.:
esp. in the arca of pro ;uch as B dviel.lHeights$ Canyon P2r'L E.stat
slated for development,
Bob Lie es of Fish ,: ,Crar»e - acltlres ,ed issue of funel:I ng,
use d for burns, Sncreating habitat area, enter ;n Into cost sharing
�r acre of land (vanes)
vrith CDS" c�t�„gently cast of a rbur burn) tia00L- ss expenoi . - It It to the
the lcvrrer nuttier of acres y '
Possibly a mAtehing sharp V;Itit the bAet°6 Forestry. aV
inttl vidual . vrotxla need to be art ai;restrrn�� ,� ,en the l anclo,+tier
In order to do this,, h 4 C�crte iro;ald be pleased to be
ar it ,ihoriver is hand?.11% the mune"y, Fig. r�
involved lit It' btit It would ba zorto sartnuld prot,ecb hi.sellti3 for a
Of g9reer,
i art�3 c;ipat3 ng 3tt this pra�,Tiara
laandoNrier p y dye' '
n tleterml ne
5 or 1C yedr 00viod, thatPerthatild�nl.��oianc►llherr7u�eburtt�i.l. that bine.
but he could t�bt cortver capacity of critical ��tinter
That is ons V� ,Sy can incrklase the cat ryittt
r�t,��ge3:ttl;otx:ti,ve
all
i all ciitr ego8 In one basket And a1Loi�3.n��cie+�rl,�t�meup ilbnr, s
Ftttt�t?� y
ttls trraxtttpdrtst �ar� t:oz�rj dcrit7cacrzt�r;� t gtcpt twllI tit forlthegde ,d-8 5, 1
,.er herda 3.n
-tov
fti ted atjd uLte It tvo rainto a: t�...pi
%anicril, brtt:h remo'�sl t�aatioxt,
those ar�l�as P tC�Lt an41
e Eil ends of vtays you can onto o i riere� s ou�cr, to b-l:to� avi itt7.'o�ihan� �t��
a Yom. 'u.,t r�Tt� eXar�iple h ,
ekes br��sh burn 1s �
a tnFlt h�h� funxl anti get a lot igol' e ibo or out. ��i�oI this oAstlan.
tyta�: of agreement
�!lotz.Ld have to
na,c, to 5titrr rtttra1t3 on.
8, ;, �iclr-nan of Orc -110. i
vih�:r" �u Direct oues�tion to R� ��lq er,
3r Pro -beet the habitat t'he a p un' to Why
bill for it, w not the Private land o�rrner hn3 to font;
00 People who hunt the dein tkt►
Per acre and do soriething on state � .r7 take thi
sr1rrrr. w3 land or federal land. btrt
Ind, vi dual. deer herd without put,tng it On the Ut v
Y► c,at etance the
Jtm Snowden rlen - respot7se...In rye r .,
Via" d to the hunters, the hiinter,;,
Jli n n den the pails Fora vex
a situation where peopleY long time. td;�r weraave
causing habitat los.are movin re sr�eaktz� of
i ], a a clear sari. ge, and th
- State 1avr, such. as C, 'Si.►bd;; �� vire
;regiA re that When a s'iL.,nificant iruuact occurs that Map Act-,
Shure has not always been mitigation when impacts }i the ,,, , �.
there W r e c, rrt;t t« a t l on.
d ota � rantr;e � This is onA r' . t�i� �ta
means of mit c.,� oG v •�
ioa.tiotr...this is a 001111) "Ort►rse
Further ciev. as this Panel states, vjIll allow alo
corridars i an additional impact fo�� ng transportta t,Lon
deex• habitat irnprovernent p ' the deer herds. B
qu.tx�ed by lavr It is xzot'pangram is i psc� ttlatriso'k miti. f Y htivirt; a
but is being. caused 'b Mitigation ori its i s re-
Y others, and they sh ottbeing C AUs ed by hunters,
here the load.
Bob t�;s es w hVoul.d like to add to that ... on
Mani avail,abl.e to imprav the habitat on public lrtnds th
ere i3 -e
ptiblic �1ancls.
B SrJialcmatz�-Cagain)
ac:r - Liy an, to t hat is if T could et
that. ^.res out here to develali it for beef.,why �' X45.00 an
for va p 0.0 coulan t t I do
Jim Snowden in response Dept- of � .
wild.li.fe attd iioh livestock- Flah &Game is involved 'n
With the Dept, of A ' and It might well be that 'through
gri culture .. , progrrn;
B. 1V1jckm,_
I still t'_a! nit you should charge t
t}tta�r moat to eat... €; he ,tieoplo that are using
Jeri Snowden - You arse: overlooking A
ro are not involved ar i n erl fact that them, ,
simply 1 ike to 90 out and loc�lti at,rth0�cl0ero s ate many people
Use, i v ;
trtore pe`oPle that simpl a , and th,3t inc.ludest a ;lot and
y ;hunt,ers<i a�,
d hGo Jeri
Durham- entz Roa d O�f, -ns is��;. 0 aGrca or9� years, iiavent G seen deer thero fosp scjs In f anally 'for
O"Ov.,venal. Years,
Fishl�.lG Fake absolutely ru.�ned the deer 1ri6rcl � �s
i `' Game di,dn t do anyrhi.ng about thatjr robh,
r0 no tltt. on ghat;,:,
there used to be a lo, of deep tip thr:zs0.
p 'ably couldn r t y but
Nova ifyou. put; this 40
up, t h , re in ar2pat' cels, ho:ven + t
past 10 yeta�s T dant thirst; the, seen mc�r0 tht d
3 oz !� door to w3rit er ot1, its right al
on�; tli0 a� 00r
f deed 1}t7� acres fo±�
on a::lti�ays goes brie=t to the hightagy the
one else has fed thOr,t Thep�5l,s�h & G.�tr��ert�3vbi
.� that have f ed the: deer, no
control thorn. `.fed thE.rt, bub, they still
�l�ortsti�.t� tiv�t�i z
but the- to hunt deer, x lk�a to extant d,
6.' hdoor. �; seaso t 8,1� i utlt t� 7�over;tbez� that►sx�iikn, eta uce deer,
sat more; dei;r' t}a.ttil th0 SOU80h urns shoi*to ty , . to()
late, kill a
Property o;�rrietr should h av ; " to root 'all of this + bee;; r1' t 1-60-1 the
everythin else.. ,,your ve E,ot Onou �� js, Ve+arl,tA& 'them and
b I .51)1., t eili'r, Jou WYat you c t,n do
9-13-8L
w1th our Pa,-5
Y p.roperty� 11ou1d like to St;
at the proi,- rt;yy aivriers., have k e this
�r t � kE a loo
knots rrheri '�r3 t_h no help froat F-r been protecting,, thin firoa slnce T doh►t
-sh £t: Gane.,:.
J1.111 rryc�r -- Feel deer be1'ong to ali
the peoplQ Grant to t people In Gntl•i.fc rn is -and if al,l
burden ofprotectingPr o�ect the deer they should yk��r
the deer. That io 'chs big c'atrtpe the Ofthoseof us who now MM property in the f aatht the Our
to be ,reduced in value by these rest;rictt Property is, �;oina
fuel vie should bsaa? the f; "ons , placiod on i t Is, oing
inancial burden,
San Jose krea ghat did those .T.,_a. �yc;. �1.��- side 2 .te people those do?
VH duld we use the flat
tomard this Gridle area fol land crest of Ch.tco, vlox=lxkn� e1;14 ray dovIn
thc� world Y hones in sone cox the .'1,tac�,st farm. land in
pave it over ani build hc�tres
to save the deer, herds in the mount gi:ns. an iV becr11h(I we are 6oir g
balance, someday rue .are So'tng to have to neat some kind of a
plot, up j,U1 rkinf; lots and
plant orchards a aih...Vre are going-short
to be looked at with a long senna vie=�, r Footkt3ll Ut foo
d I,Teeds
2s far as far�mirag lrtnr is poor land
1s concerned,Uif's good pasture 1,1.nd is :or is
Z .think
People . •to compel-a g y .
should move toithe�poc,rer and va110 land is ridiculous;,
:about all �t is
land to the farmer even though the have a land and ),crave the tillable
y problem wit bj�t exceas grovin,
Put the houses in the rock Will be in trouble because we d`
eve vron°t for man ears; and.. We c
tis Arid the c z•op,s in the .t do t
the ^everse of that vie.are tolkin r e IOU,,n. Feel it is
Of the about no-,,i and think that is ptrt
problem. .but. the main problem is the financ cal impsct ot7 the
pc:onle lvhca nOW do own brad there. to of thv
this is's good idea, let all the op all sttrte feel
bttrden...because it ►s gain; to bepexp a=: of th-` state beve ar the f than+ 3a1.
all over with. I love deer, and I c•on�t�v a! very ys ecPons rtve before it's
I don't Ntant to carry the load for all the oth�to p In, but
should chip in too. people z think they
Aiy big complaint with the Whole thine-
but ? think thea c me up 'w, �, 7 think it �=tas x good s tud-,
they sktould have i0oked nottonlymats h Tafooth lusIons I
I th e nk
flat ai able far'mi.firtl that to h=:=e in '-ho `vane at'i�gs but also the
u f ,, - ' . c rt+ F
don't fay �t them f ,t. ren t co�trn�ssi,�n,.d t d
p�. 3 a �.�� c:���;t; el o`amc�tl'� . �. rao� „ r w Y, 'teat is bein tris c
era that because they d� d utile' whey jteredt otdat o do
a2xd that did a good j'ob but
, I think we halvo to take a much b'rmler
look at tkie 11hole pi.cturo .rather th Ift loop at tho i'oothills r
later otx look at the 'vat valley)- and ti en
look at the vi�holo thin, and develop kind ot'e��v�l o � ' and then
Z Peel we should
would tzllets iliio , tea who- tudtalc.�of Calif; or Fat least the oletoft
area obi I'd the
hills ya ibc.ri n thts
tktin;, attd theta sntno hind of �.an vt►at tv tib iirrb tc1i''r a]. not sort of
steal. p p, bce-
Alan Avio n ,
�. vietrs ora . � ,tnehtioncd kart« tt tarp t or7 foo hI
ka tlueri talytw, to �
= it do you fat-A titrtt deet is
a�rtght that a aroyoz�t otrt,ez s
People matte I tons taut of
i � � htrr,a`1d kas;vo7
a�
Jim 1pry, ot''s r. suttee: bivi.ded hit t+
son tinct �1
C, 14 x'V` tat�r��. oiar t Ly between his childron, i
autlt�aunrleri ti , 3 to one' 7 noes to tile nt ar�r, noW
j dch;l.drannrt loved it:. mtliht' Itis
y grata
rtttL.,
y
9-13-84 pg. 6
0 0
Vould hate to think that (Ai ors who wanted to coulra;n+t do that.
Mould have to send theIr-d� L%.3+,er off somewhere. trl,ae to 'build their
home. ;Son and daughter each have a piece of the Property he deeded
to them, and the three families, live there... evel%rono is happy. —
feelthis type of restriction would stop that so `t of thine and don't
reel, it is right, ..I have '20 acres there and can't even see where the
kids are ... daughter is, 1/4 mile down tie creek, son L�00 yds. across
the creek over in the brush, and that's great. The ire ral'si,ng
their kids, and my grandaughter got married, I don't know whsit I rm
goi.nr to do with her, but It Is this type of thing that l would hate
to see stopped.
Neighbors up the stiieet gave their c
aughter some: land, and she still
lives there 40 years later., and I thank that's fine. If the kids
want to go to Sart Jose, or Concord, that's ok too, but if they Grant
to stay and there's plenty of room to build a hsuse why not?
That's the only answer I ca.n give you:
Al ah - good gnawer.
Richard Redman private citizen Chico.
Attcrnded; several hear3 rigs regarding detrelo rienta In foothill—SL Where r;
keep rehashiri; same issues over and over. Would like to say, finds
tYaa stud;acceptable, vrotril.d prefer to see the 160 acre minimums that
Fish &* Game recommended„
Gentlon:orr's question about cont/profit/loss - While he is not subdividing
his property we know that in the offing many i,ndiv.. �n this area are
planning; to subdivide...are they going to take their profit and turn
around and give It to the taxpayer in any ray, shape, ox, fora, so why
indoed should they not in some WAY pay for helping to nai.ntai n the
deer, herds.:
I have heard criticisri of this pan(, -,l being made up of a group of ens
vironoianta/lasts. This panel Was Appoiht:ed by the Sd. of .Supe, and at
least 3 of the Bo>aid WIlizibers has river done R'nytsr,Jng an the envirotime nt7l
i,iaterest so I would like to say 18Upport this only I VrM&ld like to
see it go further. '
J,)1111 i,uvya"i atty. froii Chico have done a lot ladrk tti th the PH 6ndt
o the Foot and Others conae,, �ned �,fii;h the deer herds and otkye�,
habitat probl,ow;n in tho foothills. Also Irwolved with trying to preserve
the, agra.cultural lands in thy: Vvestorn part of the county. It is un
Fortuna b o Lw!.d : the problem kol epa beim; r talsed Why don t'Nile ignore
the foothills and dell watth the Agricultural probl.Ems. Apparently
there are those who are not aWnro them haat ' beoh a great deal happening
to protect the farmlands of the county wad to trt en up poor lands
naar. Oro. near Chico and other "irons of the coi..rat;y for verysub.3tantial
(iovol.opraont 4 Chico can eaAl Zr f Ltrthor ib r s deVol opme b over, ziever:al yearo.
on land that has already been made av'a lable which is net useful 'fell
a6r*Lcu1tvxO., so l would like to sou that stows bei ni; raisad.
Prioblows thi t have not boon d+ alt w th by this d'OLMt y irMlude tau
foothl.11 arca, andaon�ra�ttilrrt; »S those; peop,L� who spent tim toward, ;
thy; ;uti.rdy boitlg cot�nazlc:rea totx.t;ht;.
9-13-84
0 Pg., l
One of the problems that. ,has led to the need for this -
.. � t �tiS is the
one mentioned by the ria4lernnn of div lding his 1, 1(1 rami sharing it
vi,th. his fancily. Thais viorked fine 20, years ago., unfortunately
ire; no longer have the luxury of allowing anyone to split land
regardless ofp ,
his Impact �n the rest of sac6ty artd on the impact on
the land and Why this compromise study is s uppot*ted.
Ee];i eve this Is a "cornpro!rpi:;et - vroulc hate to see th; s proposed
compromised watered do;rn ans further by al lat'l. ng mors dense develop
mi nt than Is proposed. Ido support it, except Z do think personally
It cot.Yla be much stronger in order to. accomplish it+a goals.
Concerns ratsed by propOrty o.iners, esp. Oro. area, thinkthe - e i,s
a basic r; tsunderstanding about the problem. It rs not just the
foothill area east of Oroville, vie are talking about; all the foothill
area in this county; where some very serious prob]:eters are e fo t
and the county is not in a position to pick and ctxoos,e trhether or..not
they Are going to deal with this problem. The county is under a
mandate by State law a.nd i t t s 9 ---in General, plan to protect the migratory
deer herds and to implement policy to c onto, nue to pr"ote�!t them) and
therefore the probldit can not simply 'be ignored as `mqn suggesting.
• y are gge..tina.
N6ne have come up with any �rork:able sblutl ot8 or sttggesti vns. to ctesl
with the problem: We haven t heard any other• helpful suggestions
by those who oppose the report. Suggest their criticism, not be taken
too seriously unless they have an alternat;i.ve to help deal With your
respons iblities .
A,n*ti.v.ea.chaneis. `-� � ,
3 !; pro ,�u� the enforcement; of a lav- thrat hasnrt
been eiifox�ced beforie In this Area, suw.tx e change is going, to J-.-
Sorleonee Again, there is a ba.,, -1c rfti stxjl�terstan; i ng because thhere is
no of the iMpagalc►orthenrest�o£ous. right to develop Lurid rega'r'dless
t g i
To rlivIdo land when it will
dt�,"trov ti}�.1tI,7., i e habitat, t, thoxie is s i.rrYply no such right
,
PeCfP1e Vtho trove into tho foothill area mo 5 � think. t, h o f � � - as i . ,t e the x, i ghf:
to do vrt atever thtay p'ieast With their, l.;tnd, the facie i;�, thea; as
W011 as all the rest of us, have certain reoj3on.,-Ibil� ties to their
neighbors, aril do noir have the right to C-Rvi,de their l,ef d iii such
a �aay thah It willhstrm tkio rest of u:,. If yoil, rove; -into serfs{tine
area, you inherit scnsi ti.ve probl.er:is, X $uggeot you be sensitive to
that fact, and not hope to be sblee to profi:b at the rest of our espense •
There h,!.s Leon some, con
aOrn#Jd; x+ailed that people who d .vide their
l an i, should not have to bad. for+ the p,ti�l.ic and ' dartag e to the
habitat It may aa.ttse* llrzfortitnitc:7 y;, �yK t�t��e any restrfictians are
irrraocetl on an'y pr'opert ovine -a rc ��it 'tl' a. boated, they.
y - , �� � o.t t�h c rd
feel tl' uy arra boi ng picked on. Pa,rr.lt;"' : x01--k6i tho tome concersn tho e
V,ho opposed t�ho geetil.ine
'�x s a ln� + °i+ +. ,
�,y y r� �r; t yob pick; on somebody else
a.nd lest us devolop our land it` rye ����Et►�. �. Prtvst oi` 1;+heftl supportedprot�ctl on of that lard. Vle at'e tip xfJ k �,ha sante thtna (rota a fes of
thEv property .ownors i:n the not boii.ev'ait S.s :� ritrx;; oritt�
Thick thW E! is n vera ;;ubz tgntjn pops �,� . oxo iihv brant; ti be l oft
J .
alotie and donit w, U land 01' the r- nui8hborsi Gut up any
further than ib al riti4dy has boon
M
A�
t
The sample fact is that pet)
ple Who arrived late in the developttnnt
game had hopes of dividing their land when too many people had
already divided their la'dd and thus created serious problems, aro
a1111ply too 'lateto benefit ,from vrhat others had htt,vt5 't(ot1t,
Itis just like a person entering a business which h4j,,,i already beets
saturated With other people who had thought it was, Ft: good busi aa�i
to get into. The last Person who gets in usually donnCi't melte It.
I like the candept proposed in the study for considerl hft tr`ad3,rg
development ri.gF is so the people not close to the t:rtznsport<ation
eorrldo`ts miSht be able to share some of thtq benefits ofthe devolop
meat along those cOVr!aors...hoctever;'I don't see any workable,'Way
to accomplish, thst without breaking the And down into parcels that
a7e too small; �oulver
I �d y
strongly urge you to adopt limitations
along,the transportation corridor' more in the np-6,ire of the 2.1-C tiers
mi,ni.tr,ums and prohibit any further land develoPmert; t lth n a distanoo
of the transportation corridor into ps,rcels any small.off than lUp acre:
as
�r.*�recommended by Fish & Gamo. Any smaller than that would-be
a great-
, to the pildllfe and S don tti nk it is nOdO3�Wty, Further -
More the development exzense back awe from the trans ortati.on corridors
are too great and I don t think people: are trakitig a lot of profit on
such development these days.
One concern I have is definition of f'adjaoe7•t0t to tra.n;portoti.ori
corridors. 'Report allows developitient adjacent to corridors to some.
extent, and agree with that Adea, there is a proble'in defining holy
far back "adjacent" goes. If
W0111 5,000 acres adjacent to corridor,
does that mean can develop entire 5000 acres; or break it doWn
into smallest Parcel allowed by this study
Suggest; a serious look be taken at just how aide there corrdors
be so in caseof , t;ry large Ownepshipo hot; have aft advantage over
the =allcr o,, rner and la er nz a er o�t.ier coulo have mach greater
itatptict on deer herds. Suggest possibly...
y00 fc
� wt b, --,k from roads,
ho9,atever, a itore ret lis t:ic V101 might be l 00 feet back wbi.ch happens
to be the size of a 1�0 acre square parcel. If thitlking along the
lines of 40 acres, this might be all right, horevt:rr feel Possibly
soar thing smaller would, be more reasonable and vtould solve the problem
better more litre 5()o feet.
Another option not cancideted in the report; neea to take a Loot; at is
report seems to to llovt for k0epitI8, all An deb igi-iations in the area vililch
that are in confl1tt Sit th the door hent problem. HoWe,y r MR detignati.otl
under the Gen. Plsln allot=ts individual pa,rct is do;tn to 1. acre in size.
li' youxre sa�?iri, you .cans develop parcels dorm to tiInt sine then why
have a G,4 t', de8ignittolls that ttjggests they can. ? think ne ed to
Make G. F. change to go along Nt:ith Concept you oome up w4 th petiardl emn
whother they are next to oorvidors or wh(lro) bahs3stcmt with. the G. P.
and with What teak:es setaso (log�C+i
enotht:r tYlink In rcpot't stating, leave all, of tl'te rest Of the zonet,4 alone
except Aft alone;, don't char�e 't1jost�, i�te11, tti��t IM -1 ides A4 v;ona and
as � ¢ l tia','t, t «? i s t�t�;t coh:� A teat Stith t`hu Gen.' 111'an, A vecowendnbi.on
should be Included, one oi' t�1�in��iriin� the Tinibf>r Zone, na1ntil. in.1
tits of;hcr' largo tzct�e,are zones y ,
OR whore nt;cessrir i.ri the Gen Pjgn tinct
elitc,a.t'ifi.tIng all. kly�; and flnally,
The d.og oras nanc o pt opo:i 0d) rm I rind opo t;! tlrl It, i p A
nyono sees a dog,
dies 1118 or l; ll.sng a. dear they t 6,h ill bhe dog ew Long as they a`r'e
on their o"gin lax, �► xnle� t 1'
the ottnar, he doe is in the €;. 9
Zvi th a dog, As
l read thl.q
the d0 s it ifoUltl allow a IabE p09S6Ssiot,
of sea ;ion or Othertv3:�e to run dr�f�,n and c i lnep arson to fa opt
and norLin can do rase t huntin
about OP dC1 ,
Furttler' anythin, Uz aur
Porti, r�ore, the, idea that V. de a d
stars by ha vin8 ,people are going to kee
p. clog
really isn't much of a Inoahanxsmtfox d shoot the'ra s t Or ,dee .
i think ites a small: st k�,epn h,o feel l.tke,
0
adapt that ord� ar t, end s tt dogs out, of" eCorr;da .s it
inanc e i;iby PPort it as far aU o
the ,problem the: notion that it's goiz?g to IFNQ03, but to
areas, and f`r`a fou nee,J a much strop �, solve
areas is to totally the ort]. �, ge_ dog ox*dinanor� in these
Y prohibit '� dogs can be kept out
keepthem an hashes them in tha t of the cr" ti.ca7
include a roc. y or, In 'kennels y4aroa, totally con!'`, ne theM
to prohibit do t and r mould stjg�;c si o ,
restricted at all tixne:� o g� oxo t.0 reA,uire ho repor-
not going to be hunting leaving tore iMMed3 at s to be totally
g down the deer,-Produryty so theytre
Chico 2000
Committee has done an
• eXCellent
With is a' min mtun. Probl�;rt job. Peel that what cotrplain i„ grey t, herds they c»��ae up
�, about de::r"
eduPtian of herds each are dj;3anphar,'izi
habibat Year aro;ettnr .mss, hunters
also c?ue to fact P?'ir7ary reason, t,aa 1en, smaller and smalle;�
hunters are tajtin T ds are bet:orain'
Also cone erred with i' la
r est doer. g extinet
Any development --should read 7acer:b" to cot"r1dors
�_. ;be done sensitive not de !',le
and other, concerns, to to 0
A graohy, d?�ainage,.
- Wlztterahed - tries T' r
control attaining Q air cleaning;
.nt problems nicetinr air nttal;i ty
_ prapart
Y rights carry res
InWit be made -forponsibill-ties
ba u' c to s��ciet. neo I dr , arid. 'or ou s ��e11 as privilE8et, to
5� country: and, for your
Al Be-= >tenibe2 of '
Aarlbl w in answor
Roads are put t to aueutiunrcgardi ., .
hx tx ao1 t�,r es Or berz'a n. , . � ec�x r dons
�` no develoar,,unt A ortt�
aria tha,a same roitri ;is unt`eaaOhPblo. 7'o Arabi, m aeitz
de a. sire ca lain t_ .t t to to
abtt traps for deer. ill tr��ns�jortation ca r> 1.s trorO reasotat:Lc�
keep t}r�, d 0111., thing` it1, w„ Iso
eer awn �'roiri 8 We chot.ld dO s ri�tlir �,e 11
��st�' �.`Lb��f �s p
� ;�orrt� �eri�rl ares:,. � � e4elo t;lr�nt tb
w
or
C!c tli:� etas ne t Mete it
not thitzttinv of �ato,t7C0iacriatE .� a prc7bltn.
_.bar. "ra;1 a tradsl�ontablort coz�r.
nur�tbc'r a ` 5 P, rc,0l bttb "
panels this ha�tin'^ it}r5 xdor,
�rar� to t'r'oth Notts es cottlr7 seg n pr'e:�po..t to k-e , at 3. arge3
u ��t,i. t Prot c' h � L
bo P '` hill I CC can _ cox o
eeb �t0 to l''b0 f t~t:t rtncl 32 ��i�
tiro 'r0rtd` bocatl ie the br. ' /vasg5$I �c5u dnr �
r�oan� st One of thew, ratwo lcr�� i_s at hab,,t,Ab
rxn1;, �zrid ,. Man In. fight a1 on
shor»t & . creak8 an,,4 snnie oy Y off' bur po'l is s1da.
»stal�tcoo Vrhat tete beat hFibitc Ileo
crealt and l�r�o�r Pte. a y tit ti�xanCr a s Por People �tatna� bo in teat
Pl4at ots r`c;latfvstl €moat bnottrr dist net'► ,tr�}ybU11d b;vottct the
iltt;: bhnI'�]�t't f-06 clr�,ltrbntllt�tk t are
Mho did disotl4d crlbur�: aady p f'ech, j
C1�` �'lf•1�3:t tit �i V90 C��,� :Iu4t��%�1t bay i
o 1i;:t �'%ho bait we tolb t)le p�Ett]tztl1e` >t�.�l at ttlph�y
is tcS 1C7C7�. tit �,?ittltt*�:! cert d1)"!;1.1.t S101A oil(; qt�'��'f` ori _� �e�enn
y PArUcl b!. s : `
iftral b
t[ Matt carat.
P9. 10
corae up With ,an
y enercr
ount:y, t ex'i a pard cul
�' O rly in a county. as
and diverse as Butte
.Bob ,�r idE �: - Add t o
-- ---� � a nat Dr. Be--k said,, He
u.,Y as the Deer Herd Stud{j, tnc1 x ivo�c raK the :F`aot;hil?'
Int is something everyone has to realize;, this co ti.1N .
In the i'ity, i ' has no cons#stene �'o�ral5�a�, �� r p=zrticulFirlY
�.vailablit yin to , (ct�zt.�on, v�a,tsr
Y, in soils condi tions, it is �uat
x t h nit the a roach that D Beclt is t e-� jus-t ,treinr:rid,r�u$,jy var ed, nd
� !p
approach We tool. in the F'oothilZ ;,t,u3, 8 about an
prarcel b ti a.; basi.cly the
Y parcel v;tew incl meeting that was toi establi.ot).,c.rt1teriA
varies a little bits because of the r � alae dCer herd stt-dy
of ac:r4a�e for cause
etc. but Again, a4 specific- 7rar�;�� alxount�
rule that thou ��A.1 not oxe do sar7e think rrit ain
7 matte aka iron clad
somctt ing is soraath;tn� else and QC) rest o#'
foothill area. I mould UeY,' just clocst� t appy y up l n the
much s,ree With D. Beck, h that; respect.
Bnb Iti(tt es or' J m Snwden (?)
Acid to c14,ri fy - one of, the recoirmenda,tions teras t
appoint all Ad Hoc corMMItt0e to considor de hat the count;,
based upon constraints -identified in the area of OP the c0rr-1dor
stream set-back) etc tiny rant; be o p soils,
t all em t,o e e const,ra3rits, so panel to e, 'Along nn
that it; cut t;o the count to be the road's
Y hMir,�. l ect s e , �, p of leaving
pa.r , �el� -
Y•
The other item, AR lands:. not adjacent
should maintain,,` the existin Ua transpatwtu�y torr c
9 parcel size and n.�,r� dor
' �gnatiari rrittz X30 :C. ,.trip, and did nt�t'axuclettnm$Alntath the/9 ii' �. ertt
plan dos ' �t
try G:.�. des'. the 'zontn of X1-•2, but
Alan ", We have a unique Problem arZth A.,? in this c'c�ttnt: >.
Con,pl * with anytkririS, brit itts thci�e. � , it down+t; .
teManes not audlbie'
r. _.b ....
L3.fet�:f.r��-Y rt�siderit
01�j cU3,onril�Ie" ta. me that dev+ r Of Ch'"'Find .�'t exbr,-taely�
by Join& so:;ietht lope �, pr owners, %YJ s'
bc:lo x a1 to mw, ht o harri my ons n''neclb or tile tv pro_i t
i t�tid o her peoAk o,f the state, real, � life that
i.. lopt'Idnt
r
ha �
�� pen l�ui; hould ben a m:trinrr6
� q � abin
r c. a;�o n
of 1 s Q
toy uppor� Plan being Prop413106
cot t ux.cyz1 t o gradttate t Ludeht in plt tints Y t
L'o. t _. . &o •- Chita
I3�: la�+re � �o � �, � a �
%t p•-z land use p2ar►rr.tr�a nzitl Lcn.�sorr.•�tt.::on Yttett•t+��ir;
fdr ali socr y Y
wety far both tr�da a.rnl tamo,mt jti �vt, r� r , of �resot�z"ces
of t`titi� butte C-aunt:� .-liege that tile majorLty
iti to ("ount fog t of concerVatjon lurid,
►u-pulat'�3.Ott on y
of ,",he ��r�th��ls �Y
joy
bee c�' t ro�r d= � � �.
of}t.l t oril a ec uv lop�itot�t
: Ond that is nnl.y 0,,,j0tnl c: al i�
shore, te±^wt a't n to thn � jh(jt�,�l.rlt t��tir o�Yrr :t ttiKt ani tz is Only a-
sertra; tlro .future of etr¢3.r�y�7no, l su:a nrt tir'c�2��
3 tt tie i"oot�l l l 5 Cj)tjs t v.,tb101-,
- `- 11r�t1tyod elp" olopment;
P. 11
Vincent Malt -- Paradise Viest Side Homeowners soc of a rox �; 0
- pp. � 0
residents: We want to go on record as supporting the recommendations
oft^xe deer herd foo s panel, p.articul:arly where It cone earns kxioh delelop-
z
, and we are very muc t az�tare thrat the AR des!'
as a lost, cause because _ s e we have that problem riglit itc�wv in our areas
Jim1ms: ar - Chico Pres. of Audobon Society :101tte L�00 merrabors in
Butte; County.
We support recoi 1,,.ndati ons of the Deer Herd 3tudy - panel - feel they
woriked under some difficult circumstances, came up Vrt th a relatively
workable compromise, May not be perfect in all aspects, manEed sone.
fine tuning, we nned someplace to start, it needs to be supported, and
wo do support it.
Claud yjilllp - Forest Ranch.
Have seen quite a bit in time 1fve been around. 14,,Wo seen coming;
of g i�te management. ;Piave seen times when _nearly .tmpdsaS ble to find
F( deer,
Terrain dictates 'Migratory pattern, of, deer,
Problem is, 11ve decimated doe population and largo bucks.
Novi people move to area) with subdivisions, local deer did not migrate,
and if they did, where 'would they go?'
Dunn-off brush is a food tool; but do,etanv t get job done...need something
more - and need to reseed area. Need to erradica'Go roots of brush that
net oven gouts will ea.t..thayy eat some new leaves, but can't eat brusi-t
Used to be thousands of wail in the country, novi none at alb i, -
Property ovtners do need to do something with thel-P proparty, but when
they pttrOhas ed it rtas only w9rth j"?'5.00 An acre, now want $5, Ci00 an acre,
$10,000 tin :tore. Not enough Prater, not enough ;jobs to suppdrt people,_
no sevia;ge disposal, these fire some of the constraints.
Freed proper game mina ernont and ranee rttinaget est Alit back to brtsica.
Deed to change hunting season.
thLige EVAns
Novi and a.nterestbig Perspe4tives tonight. N'oed to leave soma lattrude
for the, elected body to see fist a;t the IMAJority of thoeoplo thoA,
elected thorn feel, starch as the V11 dt;h o the cotyr dor s - ;paroel bay papcel
Current proc;oss dootin't neves; aril;y have to have environmental clocurrttits
rosponaibi,l.ity of el.ncyed.`body to rtjnite findings retarding m-T.tigation
measure's necesr)lary tri al ovr the proar c`t to peocood. needs to be
3^r:�i,�,�ttbered.
Large projects gmtral.l.y to have mi onvt t'onriental. docutaont and generally
do havobnou& eoo:�omllc gains ito o.rntet a PU111 sire o noern_. icy'
ali,ow.tinr, tht.; o Pro;jects Nve gets et'to,Mh laok at oon!31deratlontj ti At;
Pyr. �. '
must t>e mad e such as �:lustorl.ng and land use in
ctasZtIve areas.
Y �
On transportation corridors, i t 3. s m' f eelin T
that a..lAounty roads
are impovtant dentifled trans. corridors.
not identified by the majority of thg Pan�;1,45+v ehhoPr�.ave �tktat;Lthe are
stab carrimi,ttee will take a look at that item, .0 tie wart .to protect
t}ie range outside of what erre have already Utilized teen vrc Piave
to all,ot� for the use of that corridor. People on. H
not now identified need an answer' as to why - caunty t°ozd thgb�
identified. ,i that; hAtjn 1 t , beer
As for the fund, is; a sound idea, needs refining. � An .rtdm1n18trative
body that has the talent to set ug such a .fund
it would yo: =uoh better received that it has been sao��it ProperlS-
cor"nission will entertain the help of those Ar It
Hope the
to do that and ;come 'up vrithi a store refined. cpeopl ,Wbo' are ,authorized
No one has, discussed the
that perhaps rivals developmenthiritheeztranterira�n90-l�}nt issue, and, one
Ow ers who have smaller pro ex'ties -LLotof property
sign that maces anybody hunting in�that area acres, pl.t np a no 'hunting
P tar. They are
Probably the best enforcer because of the. l.rtck of mrtnporrier and the
lack of coneantrated manpower in the t+tC nter rang :6 �z d'some consider -
no should be given to the pons tl.veness of the prInd:80 land sides
xecognizin; his respons ibill ties in
acreage as he does it. Pzotectit his little Naradise or
r
.ren,: Pl�:rt should be changed if current G. p.
Des. �r: ll be under
io
ntin�.d b some other v'ohicle sttu as zoning, or interpretation Of
pol c, x think Unfortu,latel We have had to come to a General plan
cause of rar�idy
in California be grotrth
and unfortunately i e not a
Concept; that has been accep ted by the r�tajority of l :ndoVmors. Arid
sine 3t< he ��iZth us, Inst is the veh,iol�e to identify to pe0,010 that
this is there your Propert w
y re�ponsibt liti::; or rights are, needs to
be clarified to the people.
TOM Sanders of the 7C-11 8rot.tp sure .stew their group Mitts goin` to
Propose to attempt to study two herds, leave one alone and da
R's
much as they could to the other one.
that stardy y3,elds. Peed, that is a ood sta-p the ani{toga to Dee What
and ;x vioul.d Supp+ort thru rayp �o see what we can do
Pasitinn on rho panol inp1At from that
group on that type o`- exporim�:rtt.
I feel that thoers
p' pective of the people of the t�
di.ffer'int fart t}i,oso n the Chico utier�, and what thcyill
sQd as�a afi6
st;a. e in J.ife vthen they Pttrchasod pt,opepbjes in th- r 800resact .i ve rtre,a
Also Pnr'adise,, a.nci Berry Jree.t, ar+errs ti+;het+e People h�tz-e cieetd lci to mas.
their t+o;s3dertco, rhe people tria;y ojoCt atfe thh ko
lactaantl�t,lt;rtl loseat;l� �t► as to the y ',. People that will
r' 4 'y,t oouat will acitr�ttt,st+eri eXist.rlr�
p is, attd feel tl.te mist*es :ttt��ttivEs of t'ho
6
should be so :�.%t,ivo to tits; pcoplt, in those' at�ett,z ►j ,pecipl
tho t rtreas,are, rtr�t 0,tite as inti ].lt �4rt� the deer ovexla 5
of p � choir 1 ves. the h� L in bhoosihtt, hots they �vishl
t, a s NsJticl
how ttit:y �+ri,sh to ukltj Tile
P opl.o nl' t7,rovIlle have diPtelrorit i.doas
land th,trx these In Ghtcn, and fort;unrtte
�vt� 1zrAvr; a mttet:tng In Chi�yo say ttre�,1" v:;tkt 4'trtrr� �
the3.r V104;,a slsd.
Sze coht,1drjrab,.ion of thL t ldblt of t•+11t,`0O1 1d0r 61i the cif" they e
p]ctrt or thl, u.,;a of Lthe Rind, be L VOh to clic,, t�+t8pC,�.bj c arosy b.ti + g rta�rte
r.M1u ow of. blow r.,' o f +h y sod on
yr �, atap.� cry :��"�t��?�"e c
de,, it
Pa. 13.•
Charles E, White - Cohas ; et
After having react the study, it Was apparent It was : T11XSdQV..oixPU-4i:X
a compromise, but I think it tota.l.lg• effective, workable, and ri��:eptable
compromise and I fall to vee where i t financially 'hurts Onyone, I
think it is for the good of everyone, certainly that there, I would
ask that the; planning commission implement that whi;rh is noeessrtry
to moves it forward to the; Board of Supv.. so that the study can ba
Implemented in its basic texture.
Hike 8van3 - Overlooked quest .on.'a; lkEd by Commissioner Lambert at
last
meeting regarding hoer much of propexb
f in the critical ranges,
are actually already zoned 9-0 acre or larger zone? Was that everanswered?
`ina: Not yet - and since staff not here tonight, Y don't
vvhe'ther, the � have the anstrtx
.y ve. 'worked on that or not. I'm sure It Will be, tall:
keep asking the question.
Mike: have had Pee'adxale ask him, V10kiBering Ihov, she
iricould, go about
fin�li; basically the setae informa.tion...is a monatrtttttal task, and
understand why staff hasn't provided answer,.
Xina; IIra nab sure how soon it will be Sosrtlacoming, whether in otar
Wrap-up,, g
to knop or rrh;.n it bei to committeelvi., but T do'feel it is important
I►.ike Evans a I do too
pant you for eom ng; our purpose vias pr1rterily" to take your input
tonight and tete do have scheduled on Sept, 20 a
on the
dearhercj
Faour:notsut 7: 00 p�,i a �wrap-upwrap-upco. i
t tr
poli
�', not sure v,hat *tact entail,. sec:heelulec
f
e `;hat tract kill. E;ntai l:.: if interested It is
otl agenda bttt hot sate What it w-11 z ea1tall.
John Farber thought, it was fox, oc'tobor, .schoduled his vacation.
Alan •- don c t thinly much tr t ll hrippen, possibly SHAT we tva ll do With It
novr, pbsbibly to a sub•-abmmittee for further public hearings, sitttil ar
to prrocedure re,vrent thru With the Foot'htll. Stun;* roport I �hviaibzt
that meeting being than. ,:there will be a trholo cries of pii
hearing.-, once it i put if f�orrt of either ord; nanctu and oi� n d
amendme nt 1 t,e P. an
John"t�yt +fit- 1•s it 118ted as a publto hc:at,inr,
AEit�a xt is a timed hent, Schodulocl for
Oo p , is tx
t
'l y
t�t n open Item,
0
niy taltlhLS over for the evening not sur'q vlhnt Chrr)lail has In tttthd.
Jotn Fxtr: lriay I uittl.e a suff.,estorifaavo ttettrct ttIta�r tktin-v avers
pastouplc montEs, xtac�atrtrrat~ncl that you �:rako each inr}vadtttl �itetn, the
fence, the fee, a;te or bvvo nt a tyme ot^ zaty t;rr�:ra;:rf;,tic} as fact}
tttrat property ovngot ' Is h0u rtxqui,red to builds fence, t'trrot rtenclt tLrax
p'erta do tf a propurby bwnor *tants to build n pence
Su!'p ent cdt,aait'bee takes at�ti t.idembion of one lbetri r:r., a tint z..sF�es
ho coob to anybody uiil,00:t 'the.; c�tc:lr�p
t
s
Deer Herd Policies D sct_Istic►n
1, Chairmen Schrader introduced the members of the Deer Herd Study Panel.
Milo -ti Evar►s gave a brief background of eahrrt the panel, lint] been dolnrj.
Chairman Schrader e; plaineri that Originally they had Plivnied to
dii:'sri.iss individual herds y but had opened it up to the n"ti.re area. t le
l=ated that this was c oncorn i ng tho impacts of resi donLial
rjovel opr-,rare°two, on migratory, deer herds. The Commi sni ren will be taki ng
i nput traniriht then refer the matt rial to tigo t74' the Commissioners to
z;t wdy and come back to the Commission snit 't a propojsol.
Sob E-varin requested e;;tra copies of the rvpcart. Aisacl Pornie Roo
Chairs ati Schrader stated that this war. a cant hrtct:t ntirxt! hearing.
W. Lndt,l rrie►�r, : Zom WSRI toted that lit- Owns! 0 viCro#* , HO said that
.� �„ h ay. Mails doom �',nd dtry;sr ant9 J,kv +cwl f_ that a tam- 1, 1.
OLJ% k'�l.c~yj oij lot,. would nof° criw_1 Out tht_� doer. HtL- felt that the report
rrrar fia v n Ile infcront, report and ditfi not 'tilkc into accOLA11t the humeri
n*a[Js.. did oot br--lieve tfte hill s rea can be lacked tip-. He stated
t hl -b rncthi l l ares Wa!r� rest~ri.rtt.d to 4i.r arse parcels that it.
r+ ryrw d nr(:'V pe0ple •,pct J iv e! ir2 the 1teAl Ytwy. It tvas his opi,rrzan that
tt't:te [auorlty tial so rt_rgt`ed and Garr+:ri ihnt, thin revLrirticin was hot
nr.:cesZZary. HO statfld that the rQpert did ,nOt ,nhow finanical: impact its
r I ry Clt�n t ri. e r z h r, t List batty and if
• � t c`l land trf._ �,�zi d ihrt"t, Fi., unci Game ►v�t� nta
t°z-,h curd 6,Mne needy Fcttids to onhanco the deer herds their Fish And Came
shoul-d Ori to the Mate" L.Iegisl oturer furid a to %upport the d6er
her"'dr,
Cha,i.r man a"r-h ader +olt Lhero wAs a problunn With Uiv proposal because
.
OP ret_x.rro.
Ht wtkra 1-od►lzort eatlrer E, ias ;ter Rout o, (li.scWwt,Otl tho dit-!Or habOi of
a. mprrlverltc�rrt f uhel » He -stextc0 tar 'i - %t rnnZtl y r'61t i r r:,(:t pPopl e in thr t
area Arid $V50 .dor v !�) a"Ir r o Ftmi"l dos the other" f oo's Lhat you ha` o
to pay tra iMprove Yoti pr-opr.�rty" Wore tot) rr►r,tch. t•lry car* t,°r.rrtraed the -Pitt
t;)1L't ninup tho 1"03 iu.2 in fl- : I'�!,' `Cry" E� t friY1 rt9:j t:Ign'aSC" ICIt;1r"` ? 2 ti,
hcatcherie!�; h ;tire bwon clrj-era tiotgii, pts lett Eia,al if; Important tiulld
HF,Ir,ivlOd tvFle't',°w and whi-At tint, l.tcpx c t�t.li jt, on t.hoi r pr°r.. purY•t,y , Htt T.L:sl t;
ihl decl itch �3trratzlcl hCG ,+4Lh wi t lf?t'Aod r'jr"'G7up ' 1a"1r `'tthQ pl%ar22 inj
Y
Comms -i ion nelh j:M'I tho wpot-Lrtwritu of Fish fw.d O Arwi}
that � FI ' (�� c51"rr�lrat�j sr�.GliCi►#21«t'a7 C"Irr wa. ' opp,oi,11tod
not: olec:tod»
%ommitr iar'ror Avis staters "{=h et~ the Ctt_or h:�rr1 gv'oup wAta r'A ututiy" gi ojt tet.
HO z,M,id that they were only m:Mal,ihq rci ommondnLi,on., at thi rl point
Al. 13eck stated that t:he flldnies de not ga tb izi h and Cari4e but t43.11 be
in a sped sal; +ur d in the CL-rt.tr►tyi. He said 10014 At Yuba County,
1
Commissioner Lambertquestioned what the fees would be ;t--�eu foi1=,
burring and maintaining -Pees for the fire department.
Al Boca Stated the -Fees are to provide for herds. Thr f, ve would be
charoed to any land awner who warrted to i mprOve his l uncal and wouci d go
+,or the hrokection of, the deer- herds `
Hmrb Olson, realtor, discussed the extreme position by the Department
of iii �cushednthtaa-f�nC�e�ldesi Qrt cra teYe fvlt the report had an impact on everyone, He
Al laock exp;4rAned habitat improvearent
HL-r`h 01scin 4,olt the +cies were squeezing the rights n•E oviners. Zf
fence is installed the by ner will _ have to pay.
Commi zionor AVi s statod th,-,kt You ' do not have to.put ctp GX f.(jnre j taut
if .tho per v.or) chose to install a f price then there wool d be a vwf-ar,dard
Torr the type of -for+co
Bub !Mapes stateri thCJ.t thio requ roment etas r.Oncerned only with ri
1-1rr b Olson -Felt the control texas goirig to rish and Gamey He discusGmd
the C:05t of thi-i", pr•opo5al. He stated that the land ow,lers will lose
thr- r rights;
Cil tAy Castleberry, retired, stated that his i mpr emsa can of the repay°t i
th,�xt it clivi nod seem appal-icable to .Oro-vil? e-Fonthi,ll area. He _elt
that this eoraart might be applicoble for Jargt-w parcel areas. He felt
tha report. rrc v.1ed more thought and Study and that the County aroLild
have x ecw and would not.
• cer taut aj€th the deue'Capmerit its itdry, ut th+=r ri
han. ar-crani"eri in the past;
LIJI-An V -In Cootlen, Di,trham, felt thcy He telt
LhO repr~trt W8Z incoMplote and ho folt a survey was noedj�'d V)'+h nroro
► "31 ', and time in it,
PA rJacN, gLmsti Onod is ,F peexPle WArolatr 0 EA bOtt,ar �4tQCJY Marro going to
r%iy -f or t .
ChdirmAn Schrader statod ttl n ih i~ r - i"311 artd ral'°toold go to the
logizlabi.tr'u Tor -fum.dti,
Ni chard Mi.11i ntjLj un, 1+18R, regUut,;rrrxl t.h�At th0 C OMrs•rik,MAor) V Qt Lip rtieetings,
e,�krlior4 in the bverring for tilt' }aeU'ple tient had i:o tt-invol'. }-1e t ito
r`equos,, orJ bdkl, r"otcnd in-fUrMAtiOrI Oh OOCIr irtdIV!.d tAl rrtembor .ref tho door
hmrd stody Psalnol to OV'Oi d a tOh+ : i Cat of i riteres� a.r d he rvry ul d l i t e
this it1 wr~iiro.
rliloe !:Vans ryoguested each meriiboe- artbmit a shur+t background tri b
pa ,sibly prosonted At tj-to rte;it weeti-no, M
Bll'1"Tr; `COUNTY M,hNNINO CbMMSSIOWAINUTITS` .w A ig,O iV P i i10$4
Al k?ec:" stated that he wot.tld not 1n tke money z+ regul e,d to largerparcels. HE stated that he makes more mo
Created.Hney +rJhen small lots are
,e also stated that he zuas not paid for triti s report.
ic3. �i��►�-r � li 11,ncttcln gt��sL;i bnt;t3 ifi the report Was Occur Ite.
Commissioner Avis stated that thr- r'°~port ia. an opinion o+ cer;tairz
I ndi vi d�r.4aa s
Curnn)iZsioner- Vorcruse p133a11ked Out thLit the pEimple Who, par*ticipate
cl: itY
r`oport Frere asItc.t by trtu Board Of Supervxsors to partici �tke
tPr.cn a end rtrs pay. p With no
Fi rir ri�rr► c i t .Pc r-
statyr d th,%, tPureport
mpa E OF i�hc beer �7R came a OW- t��cautise the
,rttis ",rets FFtu1 di ng tip parcel mAps,
r'iccizEtr�1 Piorco stated thtit scanty; 0+
the jxrtauartmentt h�7ti tFus report ;xr,
srt bx -�sr}r i r�-�a�rcr~ c��f the �"i �;h and G��me D�tip
ba.�ts rrf k'i�o r+�purt ovor�shadows the rcarcc� hat t:P�
faer�7ttte a rrterrrtaer, as a rc+glae t k� � the�.lBoitrdoaF rca n ttxe rt'por•t: 1*1
th"t nO m nra--ity Comments, o p rYi �orsW FPe t"ttE+[F
t epurt: r `rhev a i. k of the rornmi ttee L'lOrN al l oWed in thx s
another side to this c`Omm ttee than v4hat_ has been
pr"esnt:r•ci
s�r ci he Feat ho hnidno �'taxco, no input, i hai this report was being
FcIrcee3 througPz and they clad not list -En to his ti etas,
BobM"ans quL.stiJll*d who pad ti -le aer°iA �ttrd�.
pciF7 MaW--sl Dept. Fish and Gzirrtte s
at�tteti _tooki:hat tato OL- ar�tmon•t rid. They
the arxals an f r-11 SO that tht�/ zcre iLtsirtci the keX rrretr�,r collars all
chi r E;U, vja th 14.�,r'►diml. 1r'Om the __p'r» r,� Fish 'anti Game.
Al £fvck stFIto-a that ri si•I -tnd (,am__
Pons nEJ r•c r-o.i v txt: doLlars
t1mb Evans st i 11 ►"a4artirerP trt i�rtot r Abmtt thy~• pea{ ; e torr I.t•tr ccammi tto� r
.n ��park , t , sty?foci that tht:re vAre 101:s o•i' dmor 3.rt kIL_l y Kicjgo
`;an t:ed to 1thO a What tzpeci -� j ca11 y the most r �
�trxd t4hy no fee for ptmpl rw who owm 4 zk=ros car. more, � Will 1 fit. ��s�r� for
Chai rojx.An Schreidor sti } od the •Fee 4°auLt1 d be i rrrpca:jc;d 1"rl`1�n twit Kana' tea
improved �rrttd floe xr�nd w aU1r1 go 'For- Orth.'Ihtimg the
Can"*"'ssi- Avis stEtt ud that bUxldartg a herm' .art a 46 tho ocr
impact oa r;arrwel had ,
nr� rt �teorr,. s� no foe.
Ni , e Norco dil scutmod how w feet
ees were sta l ng had
h isr,LamtehdatJoh was +or
to
- Ot an r C»
LTIT 1984
Rw3seXl Bui.veer, 01rovillrr, stated- that :he wvas in an area where there
are Ma deer- yet and it tato xl d cost him $70.00 an acr u, -to de ve-1 op. Htt
SaIid yc:u dither pay if yOct wish to prr�cood of- folI can not divide lath(
that woa:<,a macre av ilai�Xe to divide. Fie sali,d that Fish at•td Game was
writing leototh_ County th
Otthey Arc holding Up pro,i-2cts urtil
the study sapa
El,-b 11'aper, StatcM a concern o� the Dsp,t. of Fi8h and Carte was
c:txmul ati vo i frtpaCts tc: encroachment, into deer winter 1 ZAnd
Cort of ss-i. o ror P)vi s stai.cM that Fish and 13amo has the pow L-r to tato the
pntsa.ticar; to hrild a proj;�wt for impactz all dear hard and wait -dor
III Y'i. 1 iy 1 C7j5 f?rE„'ax zt.tr pari
laq }l taQivor discusaoci_ tho chairlqu to the habitat txhcan the Oro�'i llm
1�t
:itwV*1, tits tod -that thF� reccont lcttue-r, frool tho Drip _ftr t tent- of Fisl`t attwl
[i AnItz hcAvo not recommended approval.
chairman Schrador Was concerned with .holding (kp project 4 ur.ti l this
study was approved,,
S :E�++ statOd that they are trot doing that anymoro.. Fish 7rd Game aro
s�tyti ncj ves or no, but arcs not holding u r b
p p ,sects=
Jim t`ryor, WM, stated that thLnre wo a east impact on people bL-si'dt
tho 4-45.00 per- acre chor je, a loss n-f land ` vA trees.,
Ch ii Y°Barr Schrador di:sctt:, Ceti the mjgt-Ator y doer trail cr�osoihtj. cert.-tin
pts tq, -1 t.. c?' which' pl.rt«i thW COS-4 on i Y1�1'f�' z �atidow'drterr.
Dim PrIyor^ stated thaxt i+ tho peoplo it) t:al i +01� nia wwctrit. to presarvo tbo
dtr, L-_r , thor l tte +el t tvery orto ghoul l torr f�ti l > tiers
Sf w."A l t:tlt ani ied his re,%ohN 'Ind Lho iu�'?Y° � fttf,)kir�t:. rtf'ii C! i S , tlklCf.
Ne ffAi-. th,,_t•t tho- cosi of wvw rt;inct r:trtri krttx tdinq it;rrri f.,t ryf"i to bo Octti.rtri
l"ie c=rat acwr
kr it; thn r.jnxj t rd'i yvan o.
�,ttt o l" h��arr�1. ,
t�1, ko Evans I �,,tatod that i.,t:a way.r apl-'s o:i MtOd to thr= pLlttt:!'r by Sup r•vi ntjr
Garrcr�pi r
He statod thot. ho pr(1ct.tS!zrn3 a Int ct par•col 11141p�1.' H
st �tocf booaltsr- o+ appectlt� brought_ •t�brward this W,.odyy pr»t1°el w;fat -Formed,
He said` thyt arlvewssity betwc*on and LIMO Af d thQ 10t- i xs twha�,'
prompted this report HO +01t that tho t-' Jt an—*( t�R�ritr+ pro�rt��n �at:iort l���d
boon poor on the report. He cjl�;o felt that, i4 yoo carne at; pobplt� with
tt di f 4or unt i4rt;t3'ttid�: there mi;ctht; tint: be the opposition an there i;t,
now. w� We tit Fu_:�_' that w�rh .ri tl, Gram rj)i r3si can Ots (Jot-in i ti t:he bottom limo
c►f tht- 'stt�trty the u+ the 'mimori ty o+ the colltmittee w c4re pushed H
n i,i d, o He to i d that thi, t Study Will t)t; tL)nLsd mown and prosonted
�'rC+°ttor. Hd folt t:h y %hould +brwtiard torttothing that w+lot.tl'ti .pr-otttct
pmopi foo; ht.orot� As we), l as the doer
tl'� lN�,Atl
h i1 i Z' � p. ��� i.j ♦,
j
% p_ itiating public
The Butte County Planning Commission a.s. in
hearings for the purpose of developing land 'use planning 1
policies to maintain: Deer Herd levels and minimize the illitpatct ,
of development ort airigratory wildlife, Hearings zt,re to be lased
upoft the report prepared by the Butte County Door Study
Panel
Staff' gave _a brief summary o.t' the report~- and indlca.tott than copies of
the report and of the map, which costs $2.12, aro avati:i:atble itr the
Planning nelrartment office,
Mr. Streeter pointed out the three cl ,lrfevent lords, 1 atst-Te,,,��ma and
n. t the count Bucks lounta.i::n I-le rid in the areas,
art the north ,as t pelt of y,
toward Bucks Lake, and the llooretown fford :In the Borry Greek, .^rotrille,
i'ca.thcr= Palls aroar
Chairman Schrader g tvo ba cl~ ground of how th i S study came about. At this
rtteotiz and on the 0tii sitd (}tli of z�.ctgtitst aztcl;p�ss h� on ept�tttl�or 6t1�
the ComkmYsslon wi7,l be tatkLng input from Mlle pub'li,c c,Atr tfiv-11 ° vi.6vs and
ideas of this sturly; A committee Of two members A611 lie appointed,
probably the two commissioners from the foothtll aroo,, , to ta1l�o the tnCor-
mattioa front the study and input from the pttblir:. .hparini s and put
to ;ether xacomtttenctal;t,ion to amend various ordinatnc�,s la the county to
implemont any rier.essa ry actions
Mr", Stroc:tet indicated that the Department or Fish t~ Gaanc is wor zing
on aerial surveillance of the coi.trty to identify rl:ser nligrt?ttion window",
along idontiried transportation corridors, encouraging clustering of
development close together to .limit atmottnt of area affected Ind also at
fenco design. cri;teriar. A deer -.habitat itnprO11etttert t fund is proposed to
oirffst? . 'tl_te 'effects of re.s1dontial deve,l.t,larrtenr _ in r'rit.i Carl artd non,cr.itiratl
deer ranges, in. which .does WoUld bo impntied at the t.%me of buildirlg
Permits, Parcel sites of 40 acres in criticat.l ixaages and 20 arcros
in non-critical ranges are recon morttltncl. by the Department of pi.sh & Gamo
TItere is also a proposed dog control ordin.anr e.,
AK:ke Ev;aiis, Chairman of the Doer Hert. Study Fa►rta:,1.), presented dirt overlay reap'
to g7.4wo a visual Interpretaition of the study anti the concepts
which led to the map
Bolo aa es � Department of Fish 4 Game) oxplalned dear, 1111grrt'ion windows
and major transportation corridors, Ile po i n ted out on the map the
wl,jidows a.loag the transportation coIrr`i'dors ,
Jim Snowden, Departrticnt of Vish t', Ga.nte, o,xplatiwr ,d the dl.i,ftor�oat rativgo.s
and the deer mlgraiti.on patterns, >,md the dif,►orwice betwotn m�itgratory
doer and residont doer,
The following are rttembor,s of the public who came for°wwrt to t;otirmen,t;_ area
voice their concerns,
kobert Vvans, 4t02 'Black, .haft Road, asked for e1tirifluati.on Of windows
and corn i' dors, Mr. Snowden ;gave an expla na tiall ►
G
<,z.NxN COi+tlSSt1N lxi3`5, =11 dtr"fyy:.$
„
,5
r iver 25 pine .Oaks Road, Croville, that
xty lownevs�lPxolao;;ec1
Russel .)u
►'t eight ed,"' anct Was coricerx►erl alaout rg
l ordnance find deterjn-iLn`i-ng cieorpopulations.
dog , " ��xosoxtt '
St;ringtowitcl, tyts "
Dick. M ll�.ngton, 93.3 110odleaf Star Raute'r, meTTtborsItirl, rcl;srda-t1g
to gain in Eosmat;i.on, to tate back to i lac A�
Property r:�gl� iKs , and was conce,rtioc1 about 1411, ho, ;l 01 t to lac atheir Prod y
lack of Publicity about this matter
,, -r 00 p,lerxittl�.ck Stix Route:, gxav:T.11e, �"r�:Ys cat`�co`ry`teci about
Pred l�ayi�crr}, 33 rigtts restrictions.
Parcel size Ana other Property
-
� ,�
taken, by Uc a°t: � cls t}lG Position.
,
l�lorbart. O1".101".1011, 8309 Mco-imack Star ftuttt�� troy ir1e, �
of t�isl & Gami
e s an extreTTTe on
a.
7211 lacather Falls Sfax Ttottte, OroviJ,la, asked about
b,Iark Lec(llondon,, 7 and O concerr_ea %qit building xcstr.i.c°tions
thr. " erry rights,
B11.1 Wilsoli., 2801 MyorS Street, Oroville, conrconcernedi r,���� pro pp
aboT
Scott Olry' Black Bart, area, coe
,eel ;eeaTlTlflaTT l t1aIYS :Ci`o
nax m DOpt
of v* 511 � Game And parcel size lifllitntlons
tar,Tcc:rb;r; concexs�ed dl�c��t delays �.n 4u�7cl.ivi:ding �yen�l�.tlg
outcome o � s t l
ytudy�
Diane ecce e q��ati�ill.e, conce>:`T,ed About tl)e
0ilbart Gaaditt n, 9563A ;Voacltati star Rot ,
tttc ��:rce;l sizo ii.tat�:tgns I•ril.l lt,c��e tin :ret;�7ad Persons tv'ishang
efkac.t 1
to .move to the arcn
•,d Van
Gandett 4746 DLIThan. Pcnt.z 110ftd, cc�nce; .nect alga°.it losing I�ro ext}r
Y"ights � o
Gommissioner I�a'rribext Asked what most o� the c�Trrerat toning is fax
the Tna"oxity of the area in (iest1on� Stat 11tdicatocl tl~� t mach � 9,t
is A-Z atict A-5 ;
The llbaTing was cont3lnued to August 9; ,15,84 at
�. 5 "u
�c,7
,L
Deer
Herd Ott.tci
Y Panel — Presontati o
Mike Evens di sC+.xssed Report
that he would the concepts ail n of
1 i t;e the Commi ssi an the maps and o �»
maps showed the �xinter ra tG start ve 1ays" He stated
ranges and tri t i cal , nges and critical Winter i hearings. Clverl ay
trans _'Um
rangesrangq�s y sumrrler
Po ~theory corridors. development
maP Were Mile Evans wi khi re �:ertai
Ordinance. areas of conflict. stated ttte- striped tt ranges,
He briefly Di scuSsi on bra: eft peel areas on the
'report di scuese�i Proposals and Y on the pog.
ma tl gti orfs zn 'tfte
Bob tela e 7 Department Fish and Game st
questi ons.
P s Dt~ art aced he was
th�iwc� too �-�n�;wc�t~
til Eieclt
r . � Chaco, statea! that i
conf11Cthie stated that t Was important
one of the this Portant to trap the aroj, % b.r
fi elt the Problems was riot a Uni qUe pr rl,r t t;+en,
eye Was that this report He �}
its Split and to knoFrt the dere ditl Wert g� f.r stated
de oped. Thi. s dries Use on the parcel Y4 6ef enough. I -le:
cr-ai ttyira, He felt that not t mean are a. Parcel
important. controlled build, n a bltY ] d tyres no build
He 'felt were Fish g and the
fbr the cri ti cel areas x t s ane! Ga evltig: cbnt1--,l twas
a fund should be 160 harl recommonood
tQ kei=p UP the deer herds. acre �t7 acre parcel
Warcr�'l s;
Cbmmi ssi oner- Avis He agreed with
ttagt�th�with r asked if he felt this $
wx'th7 foathill ioUlti'
Study. acco
studmplish a
Al beck discussed goalI put
Clustered hOWsing,
MiE:e Pierce
meed fop-mBasi c1 y agreed
are i npUt b with sI ke Euahs and
preL�It�r1 wi t:h the cow Y residences of the Al Beck,
cr"i ti r_ He felt a
approved by a 4-�2 votedgrs, He statad al areas, He held a
t -tat the
basic repar-t, was
Commissibner
Vert�rttse questi
hearings. Che risk d publi
e if Ptted c iFierce hpUt being sal
Mr. Pierce s't� tecl had his Concerns in Writing ved by pU bl i c
yes;
Johh, Forberg y Cod asset
y was in favor o,F the pltbl
e c bearings;,
Evans gpesti.ort'..,
gone' s i i sax c►rter �,►.
ever �d: ,Comm
comments i n o:�' ti h ot~cruse on the
g • Cbmrrii ssi on
Commit., get,ti rig
the ernexaner VertrUse felt i ,
with di ffereht t Was hecot
a ni b teary with Fir-. Pierce � ..
P hs toas he t4)as
�JiR,e 8varis report.
the time asked the
int 11 d l
ctf the public i tearx n. s. mmonts f t-bm
� I.r the co
Cbmmi ssi bher g the Cammi tte s at
Avis d ist~tssed
pr3ssi bl y by .ari=a Wot.►l d tae thane br�r�akdo�ir7 bre hoer
best �►�yr to handle hearings
r
;Blq"ry Cgt1Ni'J� I ..
�MNNC ..
Mike Evans stated that geographically would be the best method.
Staff %ugg,F-5ted spliting it up into the three main deer herd areas,
East Tahama, Bucks Mountain., and Mooretown.
Commissioner Lambert suggested an overall meeting first, then an area
by area meeting, then a final overall meeting,
Mi.ke Evans stated the major difference in the areas was
the corriJors. he width of
Commissioner Vercruse stated they should study this area by area for
fine tuning and then adopt a policy for the whole county.
Staff stated this was not the same as the Foothill Study, in this case
there would be wipping.
Qommirohatsetssioner AVis f arI elt they should follow the procedure as with,. the
study.1 stt with . public hearingsi Overall criteria
hearings„ then three more hearingsfor the 3 main mi '
gatory deer beards.
Mike Evaot, I aced Fish and Same was going to present a refinement of
some of the Corridors.
Chairman Schrader agreed that they should use the same procedures as
on the cohassot Foothill Study area.
Chairman Sthrader also recommend that -staff c:omebatk with a specific
Ordihance and General Plan.
.staff stafod Et at some of the implementation will Come from the
revised Natural Razources Element.
Commissioner VorcrUse felt that staff needed more input before a
specific ordinance can be eeached.
Commissioner Lambert questioned a specific plan?
Staff felt that -',a natural vehicle for this typo' 0+ policy
iMplefqOMtatIbh Was through the Resource Conservation Element,
The dates for the hearings to start IWO-e jUly 76, 1984 at 9.-00 pamii",
then to continue With the next two meetings inAugusti,
VJTT#., COUNTY V IIX 8$ 1 ON, UUM. June,